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Offline kruuuzn

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Pump question.
« on: January 30, 2015, 04:40:28 PM »
I'm about to order a new tank with an overflow and 1-1/2" diameter Durso standpipe.
When designing a sump system what determines the maximum pump size you can use?
Is it the diameter of the overflow drain?

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Re: Pump question.
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2015, 11:53:13 PM »
Yes the stand pipe determines water flow GPH by gravity.  But if you want max flow then you need a pump that will push the water volume at return head height.  Just because your overflow can handle 1200 GPH does not mean your fish will.  Personally I like a 600-700 GPH return on my system.  It gives water more time as it flows through filter media.  The best suggestion is to use a ball valve after your pump to control flow, then you have option of how much GPH. 
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Re: Pump question.
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2015, 12:00:28 AM »
The most important part about any sump is to make sure there is enough room for siphon break/ power outage drain.
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Re: Pump question.
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2015, 09:35:43 AM »
Thanks for the response. That all makes sense to me.

IF I want to maximize my system I would buy a pump that will push the 1325 GPM (figuring in my head height) that my stand pipe will swallow and use a ball valve to reduce it if required. Sound right?

AND use the largest sump that will fit.

Who makes a quality QUIET pump currently?




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Re: Pump question.
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2015, 07:19:48 AM »
Mag drive pumps are rock solid pumps, I have had one mag drive 8 for 7 years. Another point for the sump, you are going to be spending a good chunk of change on your pump look into doing a flot valve for topping off the sump so your water level dose not get two low, and you don't run your pump dry. There not to hard to put in. The best case scenario IMO is have the water line feed a holding tub or barel and another line feeds the tank wit another float valve, that way you can treat the water before it enters the tank if needed or at least h the water sits for a little while to dissipate the chlorine before entering the tank.

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Re: Pump question.
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2015, 07:59:51 AM »
IF I want to maximize my system I would buy a pump that will push the 1325 GPM (figuring in my head height) that my stand pipe will swallow and use a ball valve to reduce it if required. Sound right?
Personally, I wouldn't want to screw with trying to adjust a ball valve while watching for the tank to overflow itself. Also, what are you rating your standpipe at? Different styles of standpipes will handle different flow rates and potentially offer different levels of noise. For example, a full syphon standpipe will drain more a durso standpipe design, but may also make more noise. I would figure out what your standpipe design will be, what it drain rate it can support, and pick the largest pump that after considering head height won't exceed the expected drain rate. Water on the floor is never fun.

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AND use the largest sump that will fit.
Yes. Easier to maintain media. Easier to make room for equipment, and as mightiest_keeper suggested, you need to keep in mind having enough empty volume in the running sump such that during a power outage, when the water syphons back into the sump, it doesn't overflow.

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Who makes a quality QUIET pump currently?
Mag Drive pumps have been around forever and get the job done. During my research, Laguna pond pumps seemed to also get great reviews and often used less electricity to move the same GPH as many other pumps. The pumps come in a basket prefilter since they are designed for pond use, but it can be removed if needed to reduce the space it takes up. I kept mine on since I had room in the sump. You'd probably be looking at the 960 or 1350 based on what has been shared. Here's a link:
http://www.lagunaponds.com/en_us/pumps/waterfall-filter/
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Re: Pump question.
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2015, 07:51:30 PM »
Thanks again guys.

I've done some more research and found that, according to the Durso web site, the 1-1/2" standpipe will take in 1,200 GPH so I'll base my pump size on that.
I was really leaning towards an external only pump design. Has anyone had experience with the Iwaki brand? From what I've read they're one of the quieter manufactures. That is, if you buy the Japanese version.

Also, I've been looking at the Eshopps wet/dry filter with the bio balls. Any feedback would sure be appreciated.

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Re: Pump question.
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2015, 08:40:27 PM »
I was really leaning towards an external only pump design. Has anyone had experience with the Iwaki brand? From what I've read they're one of the quieter manufactures. That is, if you buy the Japanese version.
I've heard good things, but have no personal experience. Little Giant is another external I'd always heard good things about FWIW.

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Also, I've been looking at the Eshopps wet/dry filter with the bio balls. Any feedback would sure be appreciated.
Bioballs don't have as much surface area as other media options FWIW. They are more easily cleaned though. But they shouldn't get dirty if there is good mechanical media prior that keeps them from getting dirty in the first place.  :)
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Re: Pump question.
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2015, 09:45:15 AM »
Does anybody have any experience with the Eshopps filters? It looks like a pretty straight forward design but I've got several questions about it.
The Aqueon Proflex looks interesting too although neither one of them are exactly cheap.
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