F1 adults, from Oyers stock - I got them several years back as young adults from Ron Tecklenberg. 2M/5F, with males approx. 10", females 6" range. had a few hold from time to time, but I never stripped them and haven't had fry survive. no idea how to post pic's, but I can text pics upon request. one female is blind in one eye, but doesn't hold her back at all, and one of the males has one split bar. Beautiful fish, just ready to go in a different direction. asking $400 $225 for the group. located near Kalamazoo.