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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2014, 02:07:13 PM »
Good suggestion. I was thinking of adding two more, but suppose I need to make a list one night of everything that might possibly be plugged in some day and insure it will be enough. I believe I have access to two different circuits off the main breaker.

I've also got to move at least the far outlet box too. I have been holding off tearing into the wall until I had the stand built so I know the exact height. I hate doing drywall and am trying to avoid drywall work as must as possible by minimizing cutting to the absolute minimum required.

Hey Ron,
If you need some help with the electrical I can give you some suggestions that will keep drywall repair to a minimum, if not completely unnecessary.
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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2014, 02:12:21 PM »
Looking good.  Looks like it is coming along nicely.
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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2014, 08:05:35 PM »
Good suggestion. I was thinking of adding two more, but suppose I need to make a list one night of everything that might possibly be plugged in some day and insure it will be enough. I believe I have access to two different circuits off the main breaker.

I've also got to move at least the far outlet box too. I have been holding off tearing into the wall until I had the stand built so I know the exact height. I hate doing drywall and am trying to avoid drywall work as must as possible by minimizing cutting to the absolute minimum required.

Hey Ron,
If you need some help with the electrical I can give you some suggestions that will keep drywall repair to a minimum, if not completely unnecessary.
Advice is always welcome! I was thinking that using a rotozip to place any new outlets to keep the drywall intact. What were you thinking?
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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2014, 10:41:13 PM »
If your not good with a rotozip they can get away from you...  I've seen it before pretty scary to see afterwards. I do a lot of drywall work and all I use is a drywall knife.

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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2014, 07:05:04 AM »
I've got one of those as well. IME using the knife makes more dust and a potentially rougher cut. I get what you're saying about the rotozip getting away - always good to make some test cuts for practice and to go slow.
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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2014, 08:33:23 AM »
Yeah man the need to make a speed setting for a rotozip.  Wouldn't you think the rotozip would cause more dust because essentially all it is is a cutting but going at a high rate of speed

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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2014, 01:58:16 PM »
Rotozips can definitely stray very quickly if you're not used to them....and even on occasion if you use them all the time.
If you use a rotozip, make sure to hold it firmly and that the cutting bit is only the depth of the drywall so you don't hit any wires.
I use a rotozip sometimes, but a drywall saw more often (as opposed to a drywall/razor knife).
Also, is the tank on an interior wall? That will make fishing a circuit down the wall easier. If it's insulated it can still be accomplished but with a little more difficulty.
There are also special boxes to use that are cut-in boxes.
I'd be more than willing to help with the electrical Ron, just let me know and I can make arrangements to come out there.

Have you thought of putting the outlets into the stand?  You could plug the stand in....then if you do move it, you have all the outlets you need.
Keep in mind that if you make the multiple outlets a modular system that is fed by using an extension cord to plug into an existing wall outlet you need to use a 14 gauge cord, not the cheaper 16, 18, or even smaller gauge cords.
It also limits the fed modular system to only a single circuit.
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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2014, 07:23:07 PM »
Rotozips can definitely stray very quickly if you're not used to them....and even on occasion if you use them all the time.
If you use a rotozip, make sure to hold it firmly and that the cutting bit is only the depth of the drywall so you don't hit any wires.
I use a rotozip sometimes, but a drywall saw more often (as opposed to a drywall/razor knife).
I've spent quite a bit of time with a rotozip on past projects. I think the trick with any rotary cutting tool (die grinder, vertical saw, etc) is to go slow so it doesn't bite in too much and transmit a lot of torque back onto the hand(s) holding it.
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Also, is the tank on an interior wall? That will make fishing a circuit down the wall easier. If it's insulated it can still be accomplished but with a little more difficulty.
It's an interior, non-supporting wall. It does have some specialized insulation to reduce sound transmission through it. I can't recall exactly how it looks though (if it includes fiberglass batting or not).
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There are also special boxes to use that are cut-in boxes.
Thanks - I'll have to look those up!
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I'd be more than willing to help with the electrical Ron, just let me know and I can make arrangements to come out there.
That sure is a fantastic offer. I try to do as much myself as reasonably possible, but I'll keep your gracious offer in mind.  :)
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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2014, 10:30:50 PM »
*I am expecting a tour of this tank once it's up and running. Just to let you know. :)

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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2014, 07:48:55 AM »
I'm sure that can be arranged.  :)

Not sure when though, as the project is going a bit slower than I had initially pictured. I'm hoping to at least finish polyurethaning the stand by the end of this weekend and can hopefully start on the wall at that point.
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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2014, 05:38:34 PM »
Finally finished polyurethaning the stand this past weekend:


Lining up final placement - will start working on the wall soon!
(The dog"fish" felt some obligation tryout the stand when I was taking pictures)
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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #41 on: August 27, 2014, 07:34:42 PM »
Looking good bud I'm liking it.  Is the 2nd part a canopy with a feeding port? or something else? Good lookin' lab as well :)
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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #42 on: August 27, 2014, 11:10:31 PM »
Looking good bud I'm liking it.  Is the 2nd part a canopy with a feeding port? or something else? Good lookin' lab as well :)
Hey Steve, I'd say that is the top of the stand (goes over the framework) and the square opening is where the center overflow is located for the plumbing to the sump.


BTW Ron, those cut-in boxes are also called Gem boxes and they utilize a specially designed thin bracket for each side of the box.
If I remember, I'll snap a pic and send it to you.
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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2014, 11:37:27 PM »
Ah okay makes sense, my mind was elsewhere lol
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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #44 on: August 28, 2014, 08:06:42 AM »
BTW Ron, those cut-in boxes are also called Gem boxes and they utilize a specially designed thin bracket for each side of the box.
If I remember, I'll snap a pic and send it to you.
I thought about this more since you first mentioned it and do know what you're describing. I used one for another house project a couple years ago when relocating an electrical box.
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