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Offline Rob S

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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #135 on: January 10, 2015, 05:58:19 PM »
Love those Champs!

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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #136 on: January 11, 2015, 05:59:47 PM »
Nice Ron!

 Ever thought about a Boulengerochromis microlepis for that tank? Might end up geting a little to big though...

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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #137 on: January 11, 2015, 06:26:13 PM »
That isn't the first time someone suggested Boulengerochromis. They are nice looking fish, but I think an even larger tank would be necessary. I'm aiming to stick with species 18" TL or less.

Eventually I'd like to add some Buccochromis and Aristochromis. Maybe a N. fuscotaeniatus male. I've owned them all at some point and am not at the point of mail-ordering them in, but if I come across them I'll likely add to the tank.

Maybe even Tyranochromis if I come across them. I also realize that some of these fish get too large to safely keep with a few of the smaller ones I've got currently. It's a bridge I'll cross them the time comes.
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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #138 on: January 12, 2015, 12:33:43 AM »
Well in that Case maybe some Petrochromis Blue Giants... They Get 15" Some really nice fish.




This is a buddy of mine that had some of these in Texas.



Decent sized...


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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #139 on: January 16, 2015, 09:16:05 PM »
Cool fish, but I'm trying to keep it malawian only rather than a mix.
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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #140 on: January 16, 2015, 09:30:38 PM »
So it doesn't necessarily fit the biotype, but I added some plants. Looking at only rocks just didn't look as nice. It helped add some more depth to the tank, a splash of color, and helped hide the corners a bit. The reflection on the sides also makes it look larger I think.

Then I goofed around with the lighting a bit. I wasn't happy with the various LED lighting I had up to this point. The back of the tank just looked dark. The LED lighting is very directional, which is fine for narrow tanks, but the fish would swim in and out of the lighting in the upper water column. Colorful --> dark --> colorfui --> dark. Ugh.

I added a 4' double-bulb fluorescent fixture to the middle of the tank. The LEDs lighting I split up between the front and the back of the tank. I still get a shimmer effect, shadows, etc, but the fluorescent lighting spreads out better to help avoid poor lighting areas in the main portion of the tank. It does get darker towards the edges, but sort of prefer that. Bright lighting right to the edges of the tank just makes the limited bounds of a tank more obvious IMO.

Overall, it's better - time will tell if it's good enough or I change things up.





And one of these days I need to get the camera out to take some real pictures. The phone is just so easy to use, but the pictures leave a lot to be desired.
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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #141 on: January 16, 2015, 09:42:07 PM »
I like the plants in there Ron it really makes for a very attractive setting.
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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #142 on: January 17, 2015, 01:21:18 PM »
Very nice large set-up. I have found that dimmable led "black boxes" allow for a greater brightness and spectrum control especially over large tanks.

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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #143 on: January 20, 2015, 08:26:16 PM »
A very well thought out project Ron, great job!

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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #144 on: January 20, 2015, 08:50:09 PM »
That tank makes the Champs look small. Well done.
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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #145 on: January 21, 2015, 09:42:44 PM »
Thanks.

When I look at the photos I've taken, I can't help buy feel it often looks smaller than it is. Big tank + big rocks + big fish = smaller tank, w/smaller fish, and normal sized rocks. Without something in the picture to help give scale, both start to look the same. The champs do definitely look small (and really happy!) in it. I'm curious to see how large they grow. Will it be closer to 12" or closer to 18"? I'm hoping they make it at least slightly beyond 12".
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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #146 on: January 22, 2015, 02:37:04 PM »
It looks like a pretty darn big tank to me! :D

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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #147 on: January 23, 2015, 09:31:19 AM »
Hi Ron,

Your champs will easily reach 11"-12" in your tank.  My Champs. Spilorhynchus I got at just over 3" reached a length of 11.75" in my 265.  My other two Champs. C. are both 11"+ and still growing.

I agree - a Malawi predator tank would look great!  I have the following species of Tyrannochromis and they love large tanks and grow fast (2 xl male Nigreventors 10"+ and 1 small female around 8", pair of Macrostoma's 10"+, pair of Maculiceps 6" range)  Contrary to popular belief they are actually pretty peaceful fish - never have any aggression issues with them

Same with Buccos.  I have 2 XL male Spectibilis, huge pair of Rhoadessi 11"+, trio of Lepturus green 2m (one make is 11" plus) and 1 f, 1 m nototania, 2 m and 2f Hetrotania, and 1 atritaeniatus - not sure if it is a m or F - but again - peaceful for the most part.

Finally I definitely would not recommend Boulengerochromis microlepis!  I stupidly bought 2 of them.  They grow very fast and are very aggressive!  I got rid of them both.
 

Thanks.

When I look at the photos I've taken, I can't help buy feel it often looks smaller than it is. Big tank + big rocks + big fish = smaller tank, w/smaller fish, and normal sized rocks. Without something in the picture to help give scale, both start to look the same. The champs do definitely look small (and really happy!) in it. I'm curious to see how large they grow. Will it be closer to 12" or closer to 18"? I'm hoping they make it at least slightly beyond 12".

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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #148 on: July 07, 2015, 10:17:43 AM »
Awesome build!!!

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Re: One Tank To Rule Them All
« Reply #149 on: July 19, 2015, 02:17:21 PM »
It's been a while since the last update.

Things haven't been going great, so my enthusiasm for the entire project became tempered. I had some problems with ich infiltrating via some new additions this past winter. Treating 650 gallons of water with medication isn't cheap. Trying to net everyone out to treat in a smaller 150 gallon tank and letting the rest of the equipment air-dry to kill off the ich wasn't reasonable either. Salt treatments and lots of electricity for a lot of heaters resolved the ich problems.

So a couple months later, now I'm having nitrate problems. Why, I wasn't sure. Doing 50% water changes isn't feasible, but my projections based on the amount of fish and volume of water, suggested that my weekly 150 gallon changes should have been sufficient.

Turns out that when you have 60-something fish in a tank, when 1 dies, it's not necessarily apparent. Having 60+ fry in a 50 gallon, if a tiny fish dies, there isn't a huge impact on water quality. Having a 6" fish rotting behind the rocks however is a different matter. Having 2 is even worse.

So a big water change to initially dilute nitrates and increased water changes thereafter got things back on track. I've since been losing a fish every month or so. Some were due to my Aristochromis coming of age. Maybe the champs too, but based on my observations, the chrystii looks at some of the other fish from above with a crooked gaze. So goodbye peacocks. I'd picked some of the larger peacock species, but they just didn't grow quick enough. I lost my smaller phenos as well.

Things seemed be going well, but I'm still losing a fish here or there and haven't necessarily figured out why. 1 fish out of 40+ will just start to hang out by itself, uninterested in feeding, with no visible symptoms and within 1 week of becoming antisocial, pass away. However, it has enough energy that it's nearly impossible to net. Really stinks to see it coming, not know what it is, and having little I can do about it.

Aggression isn't a problem. If it were some kind of bacterial infection or a virus, I'd expect my catfish or clown loaches to exhibit symptoms, both being thin-skinned fish and more easily prone to health issues, but they do not.

Doing some more reading on aluminum toxicity, which by prior research was a concern for acidic waters only, may also occur at pH levels higher than 8. Apparently it impacts gill function in some manner. My well water is around 7.8-8.6 depending on the test kit and tester. Time to change things up ...

I'd built my heater battery with an aluminum fin radiator base to keep the heaters off of the bottom of the plastic sump. I've noticed chemical reactions taking place upon it (hence my renewed interest in looking up potential toxicity to fish).


I'd like to think I'm well learned, but I disliked chemistry and didn't spend any time looking up what is really taking place - if you love chemistry and can explain, I'd love to hear what is really going on. After taking it out of the water, it looks like there is salt adhering to the aluminum rather than the aluminum itself flaking off.


Not as fancy looking, but I had some slate pieces not in use yet. I hardly ever touch the heaters or move things around in the sump, so I'm just placing the heaters atop the slate in the bottom. Should be sufficient.


And from here it's a bit of waiting game again. I have some fossies in grow out. The dominant male is nearly full color now and really wanted to add a trio to the tank, but have absolutely no hurry.
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