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Re: Submersible Heaters
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2014, 06:32:06 PM »
They give a plausible reason as to why a controller will prevent one heater from doing most of the work.
What is wrong with one heater doing most of the work? A watt is a watt.
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Re: Submersible Heaters
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2014, 11:47:37 PM »
They give a plausible reason as to why a controller will prevent one heater from doing most of the work.
What is wrong with one heater doing most of the work? A watt is a watt.

I think the idea is to have 2 heaters controlled by a controller so that both heaters work together. I was told that the thermostats in the heater are not of the same quality that a good controller has. Sales pitch possibly, but I do like the idea of having 2 heaters controlled at the same time. I would like to bat this subject around to read other comments people may have.

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Re: Submersible Heaters
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2014, 06:32:48 AM »
Quote from: breaktime link=topic=5131.msg44590#msg44590 I was told that the thermostats in the heater are not of the same quality that a good controller has.
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I would agree with that portion of your post. Typically they cost more, so it's presumable they'll have components of a higher quality or greater accuracy/resolution. How critical that is, I'm not so sure. How accurate is your thermometer? I don't think you'd need a heater any more accurate than your thermometer.
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Re: Submersible Heaters
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2014, 09:02:53 AM »
They give a plausible reason as to why a controller will prevent one heater from doing most of the work.
What is wrong with one heater doing most of the work? A watt is a watt.

It allows you to use two smaller heaters instead of one large one.

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Re: Submersible Heaters
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2014, 09:03:43 AM »
I would agree with that portion of your post. Typically they cost more, so it's presumable they'll have components of a higher quality or greater accuracy/resolution. How critical that is, I'm not so sure. How accurate is your thermometer? I don't think you'd need a heater any more accurate than your thermometer.

Precision is not what I am willing to spend for, but usually comes along with superior components.

I want a heater that is the least likely to fail.


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Re: Submersible Heaters
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2014, 09:04:10 AM »
Two Eheim 250w should arrive tomorrow at my house

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Re: Submersible Heaters
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2014, 04:41:58 PM »
I received my 150w Eheim Jager heater today and was surprised to read on the package that it is for tanks up to 79 gallons.

I wanted a heater for 29 -38 gallon tanks, and based on the gallon rating on the Fluval heaters that I already have, I went with 150w.

Does anyone know why two companies have such different ratings? Is the Eheim Jager so much better than a Fluval?
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Re: Submersible Heaters
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2014, 04:44:53 PM »
I noticed that also when I ordered mine.

I just went with the industry typical standard

Having a little more heating power is better than not enough

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Re: Submersible Heaters
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2014, 05:24:41 PM »
Does anyone know why two companies have such different ratings? Is the Eheim Jager so much better than a Fluval?
They have such different ratings because there is no standard. If all companies were measured against a standard from a testing company, then they'd be comparable.

The price difference is likely based on components used in construction, and to a less extent brand name (or at least it was - typically smaller name products that get recognition for quality and become popular are bought up by larger named companies who squeeze them for all the profit they can get by cutting corners). I'm not certain about Fluval, but I had what I thought was a nice Visitherm heater clink against a tank lightly and the glass shattered into pieces. I've had a number of Jager heaters bang against the tank, but they've got a thicker glass case and have never shattered.

The argument I can see for multiple heaters is that there is a less likely chance that they'll both fail at the same time, in the same way. That is negated though if they are both controlled by the same controller, as it's my impression that the controller/regulator is the part that tends to fail most often.
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Re: Submersible Heaters
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2014, 05:36:35 PM »
I had a Buttikoferi crack one of my old Ebo Jagers once.  He had to ram it a couple hundred times though.
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