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Offline danielratti

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Healthcare in the USA - depressing
« on: January 30, 2014, 02:34:44 PM »
Getting charged 93 dollars by our president because I cannot afford health insurance is depressing. I should start a thread about that.

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Re: Healthcare in the USA - depressing
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2014, 03:55:39 PM »
Getting charged 93 dollars by our president because I cannot afford health insurance is depressing. I should start a thread about that.

I thought that fine was waived for a while yet?  Or are you not in the President's VIP crony club?  :) 

(BTW, I started the thread for you).

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Re: Healthcare in the USA - depressing
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2014, 04:03:03 PM »
LOL.

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Re: Healthcare in the USA - depressing
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2014, 04:04:45 PM »
Yeah I dunno thats what they were talking about at work today and thats what we were told if you don't have it sorry is what we got.

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Re: Healthcare in the USA - depressing
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2014, 04:06:21 PM »
Yeah I dunno thats what they were talking about at work today and thats what we were told if you don't have it sorry is what we got.

That's lame.

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Re: Healthcare in the USA - depressing
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2014, 04:31:42 PM »
Getting charged 93 dollars by our president because I cannot afford health insurance is depressing. I should start a thread about that.
That definitely sucks.

It's too bad individuals can't be responsible for themselves. Then we'd be without the constantly increasing government oversight and regulation that evolves from people demanding things be provided for them due to their ill-found belief that they deserve it. While that premise can be harsh to an individual, it'd be better for society.
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Re: Healthcare in the USA - depressing
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2014, 06:58:28 PM »
Getting charged 93 dollars by our president because I cannot afford health insurance is depressing. I should start a thread about that.
That definitely sucks.

It's too bad individuals can't be responsible for themselves. Then we'd be without the constantly increasing government oversight and regulation that evolves from people demanding things be provided for them due to their ill-found belief that they deserve it. While that premise can be harsh to an individual, it'd be better for society.

Do I detect a slight bit of sarcasm in this statement?  I agree we need more people who can actually THINK for themselves.  It's really sad that some people can be so easily brainwashed into a politically lead agenda.
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Re: Healthcare in the USA - depressing
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2014, 09:02:32 PM »
Getting charged 93 dollars by our president because I cannot afford health insurance is depressing. I should start a thread about that.
That definitely sucks.

It's too bad individuals can't be responsible for themselves. Then we'd be without the constantly increasing government oversight and regulation that evolves from people demanding things be provided for them due to their ill-found belief that they deserve it. While that premise can be harsh to an individual, it'd be better for society.

Do I detect a slight bit of sarcasm in this statement?  I agree we need more people who can actually THINK for themselves.  It's really sad that some people can be so easily brainwashed into a politically lead agenda.
I've read my post 1/2 dozen times and still can't figure out where you think the sarcasm might be. I debated posting in the first place because I know sometimes it's hard to insure the originally intended message in text because different people tend to interpret it in different ways.

I'd rather refrain from additional comment. Since this is a fish forum, I'd rather stick to divisive topics that fall within the realm of fish, such as hybrids, breeding ethics, etc.  ;D
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Re: Healthcare in the USA - depressing
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2014, 09:08:36 PM »
I found it funny he made this a post i was being a smart ass when I said it.

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Re: Healthcare in the USA - depressing
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2014, 09:15:57 PM »
I found it funny he made this a post i was being a smart ass when I said it.

Say what you mean then!  I knew full well what you were being.  :P

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Re: Healthcare in the USA - depressing
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2014, 09:56:04 AM »
I don't know any of you guys, as I usually just lurk here and pick up knowledge about fish related things.  but, this is a topic that really bothers me.  $93 a year, and you can't afford that?  $1.79 a week.  the goal is to get you to realize that you need health insurance, and under "obamacare", there are subsidies available for anyone who earns up to 400% of the poverty level.  nobody wants to pay for health insurance. . . . until they're diagnosed with cancer, or they fall and break their arm and need emergency treatment, perhaps surgery.  if you can't afford insurance, can you afford a half million dollars of cancer treatments, or $25,000 hospital bill for treatment of a broken limb when you slip on the ice?  need back surgery?  figure $100,000+ easy.

if you're single, which I would guess you are, you qualify for a subsidy if you earn less than approx. $45,000 a year.  as long as your income is less than that, your premium is capped at 9.5% of your income for a decent health insurance  plan. that would work out to approx. $363/month at an income of $45,000, less than $250/month at $30,000. 

nobody wants to pay for insurance, but virtually all of us with employer based insurance pay a percentage of the premiums, and I'm sure many pay hundreds of dollars a month.   

what happens when you do have an injury or illness?   one of three things happens:  you don't get treatment -- I don't believe many uninsured are going to choose that option when given a cancer diagnosis, or told they'll never walk again without surgery. second,  the government, who is screwing you, pays for your care, or third, the rates for the rest of our plans are raised to cover the unreimbursed costs of the providers, since the hospital will never receive the $250,00 from you.  in other words,  I'm paying for your care, either thru my taxes or increased premiums for my health insurance.  so much for individual choices.

you insure your house, but you hope you never lose your house in a tornado or fire.  you insure your car, but you hope you never total it, injure yourself or others,  or cause damage to someone else's property -- you need to insure your health, while hoping that you never have to use it.

i'll get off the soapbox, and please understand that  I mean no ill will toward you, and hope you remain healthy and strong forever, but health insurance isn't a luxury, and I  hope you never find out the  hard way.   

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Re: Healthcare in the USA - depressing
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2014, 04:41:15 PM »
Zamboni, that was a great post but the only hole in the argument is: why does my government have to decided what is good for me.  It is like seatbealts and motor cycle helmets it should be my choose to buckle up or cover my noggin because those help save lives not because you could be ticket for not wearing them.  Now heath insurance is the same because I don't have it I'm being ticketed.    Here is some personal info, I had a good job working for GM supplier with insurance that I paid $150 a month.  In GM bankruptcy I lost my job because my government closed my plant.  Now my new job does not provide insurance and I took a 15% pay cut that I can't make up my income loss.  Why should I jump through hoops, red tape and political junk to provide myself with insurance, when paying cash for my medical problems is a cheaper solution for me.  Why should I be pushed into a program I don't want or vote for? 
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Re: Healthcare in the USA - depressing
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2014, 06:35:55 PM »
one last point and then i'll shut up.  health insurance isn't really  that important for the everyday illnesses and injuries, just like your homeowners insurance isn't that important if you break a window.  nobody wants to believe it can happen to them, but your insurance is to cover the catastrophic things that do happen to people -- cancer, heart attacks, surgeries, intensive care, etc.  my spinal fusion a few years back was over 100k, and my wife;'s cancer treatment approached a million dollars.  not many of us can cover those costs without insurance -- bankruptcy, then we all pay.   

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Re: Healthcare in the USA - depressing
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2014, 08:36:50 PM »
I'm going to lock this now, because I can see where this thread is going to be in a short amount of posts.