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Offline Steve

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I am so fed up!!!!!
« on: January 03, 2014, 02:53:05 AM »
I swear I am so feed up at the moment that I am about ready to just get the hell out of fish altogether. I just got rid of some super ich about 3 weeks ago in my basement tanks (holding tanks for the 265 tank) ended up losing a bunch of fish to that which I got from Wayne and Josh...some nice Acei and sunshine from Wayne, and a beautiful Pheno and red cap from Josh. Finally got rid of that NASTY super ich 3 weeks ago in my basement 29g. Now tonight at 6pm I see ich in the 20g tank which has my white knights I got from Blair. So I started crancking the heat and adding salt. Now not even 7 hrs later, my beautiful 5" white knight I got from Blair was dead in the back of the tank when I just went down an checked.

I just don't get it, I take care of my tanks. Only thing I know is the basement tanks run a few degrees lower than upstairs due to being colder down there (they run 76'ish) so don't know if that is why this damn ich keeps hitting me??? but I tell you one thing right now. Even with that 265g about to start up.... at the moment, I am so friggin sick of this crap happening I am about to give up fish all together. I'm just so sick of doing all I can to take care of my tanks and yet for whatever reason this crap keeps happening to me for some reason. I Know people who don't do anywhere near the PWC I do, yet they don't have issues with ich so I just don;t get why this keeps happening to me?? I swear after losing my White ahli tonight I am about ready to just stop dealing with even trying to keep fish and just stop even doing all this. I'm just so feed up & bummed at the moment it's not even funny.
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Re: I am so feed up!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2014, 06:34:28 AM »
I feel for you. When I was having water troubles a year ago... I was getting so close to throwing in the towel.  Got everything straight and glad I didnt.  Just wish I would have solved the problem sooner.


As to why the ich problems... not really sure.  Why is the tank only at 76 degrees?

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Re: I am so feed up!!!!!
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2014, 09:21:08 AM »
Ok.. I am new to the this group having moved here recently but this happens to everyone at some point. Whether its your first tank or you 25th..

It doesn't matter whether it's Ich, or a stuck heater, failed heater, power outage, or whatever. It has happened to everyone at some point. Catch your breath, check your tanks, and move forward.

There are probably many more experienced guys/gals on here than me but whenever I have a problem tank, I usually a small pump and air wand, do a small water change, not a giant wholesale change and I don't start adjusting temps or using too much salt.. I find that less is more. For Ich I simply use an off the shelf external parasite cure and make a small water change after 24/48 hours and if I don't see a noticeable change, then I treat again.

Three days ago I lost a beautiful Male Mloto Ivory Head.. last night a super nice Protomelas Imperial.. why? I don't know the other 25 fish are fine in both tanks.

Keep your head up.. You'll get it sorted out.

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Re: I am so feed up!!!!!
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2014, 11:22:55 AM »
Steve So sorry to here this,  I had a boubt where I lost several fish early last year and I was completely freaking out.  My family thought I was going to loose it...

I agree with eden2020, the less you do the better.  I have read in several different articles that ich is more suseptable in lower tempatures,  I now keep all my tanks at a minumum of 80 degrees. I have also read that the greater percent WC you do causes a greater stress level on your fish.

In regards to the ich breakouts, what is the common denominator amoungst all your tanks, do you use the same net for each tank?  do you use the same syphon for each WC without cleaning it out?  When adding fish do you net the fish or do you dump the fish water and all into the tank? All of these actions affect your tanks.  Not sure about your water quality in Royal Oak, but you might need to re-evaluate how and what you are doing in your scheduled maintenance routine....

I completely understand your frustration,  trust me all of us do,  we have all lost quantities fish at some point or another, I have found that the less I do the better my fish seem to be.

Good Luck and again I am so sorry to here about this episode...
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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2014, 11:27:45 AM »
Ok.. I am new to the this group having moved here recently but this happens to everyone at some point. Whether its your first tank or you 25th..

It doesn't matter whether it's Ich, or a stuck heater, failed heater, power outage, or whatever. It has happened to everyone at some point. Catch your breath, check your tanks, and move forward.

There are probably many more experienced guys/gals on here than me but whenever I have a problem tank, I usually a small pump and air wand, do a small water change, not a giant wholesale change and I don't start adjusting temps or using too much salt.. I find that less is more. For Ich I simply use an off the shelf external parasite cure and make a small water change after 24/48 hours and if I don't see a noticeable change, then I treat again.

Three days ago I lost a beautiful Male Mloto Ivory Head.. last night a super nice Protomelas Imperial.. why? I don't know the other 25 fish are fine in both tanks.

Keep your head up.. You'll get it sorted out.

-Marc and family

Marc, What do you feed your fish ?  I too have lost fish randomly and I equate it to me over feeding the fish.  I feed my fish pellets and the larger the pellet the greater chance for an intestinal blockage.. Just wondering...
 
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Re: I am so feed up!!!!!
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2014, 11:28:10 AM »
Well steve.

Ich exists in EVERY tank. A fish's immune system is what keeps this in check. When a fish gets stressed out, or its immune system breaks down, ich will attack as a crow will on only dead animals. Getting rid of it is not the goal, but getting it in check. Others may have better remedies, but what I do is simple and works EVERY time I do it. I dont get an ich breakout too often, but when I do this has never failed me yet.

I go to walmart. Buy the life guard tablets made by tetra. It is an all in one tablet that treats ich and other parasites. Comes in a 12 pack and each tablet is for 5 Gal and costs just under $5. I also add ich cure. Not the entire dose it suggests, but at least 75% of it. I have cleared many breakouts almost overnight.

Don't give up

Im sure I am speaking for many others, but I look up to you on this forum. I love the work you do on your tanks and you are def the best at setups IMO. Grind the teeth and get after it bud. Youll be alright. We need fish in that 265 as much as you do.  8) ;D

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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2014, 11:31:14 AM »
Steve So sorry to here this,  I had a boubt where I lost several fish early last year and I was completely freaking out.  My family thought I was going to loose it...

I agree with eden2020, the less you do the better.  I have read in several different articles that ich is more suseptable in lower tempatures,  I now keep all my tanks at a minumum of 80 degrees. I have also read that the greater percent WC you do causes a greater stress level on your fish.

In regards to the ich breakouts, what is the common denominator amoungst all your tanks, do you use the same net for each tank?  do you use the same syphon for each WC without cleaning it out?  When adding fish do you net the fish or do you dump the fish water and all into the tank? All of these actions affect your tanks.  Not sure about your water quality in Royal Oak, but you might need to re-evaluate how and what you are doing in your scheduled maintenance routine....

I completely understand your frustration,  trust me all of us do,  we have all lost quantities fish at some point or another, I have found that the less I do the better my fish seem to be.

Good Luck and again I am so sorry to here about this episode...


I agree. DIG DIG DIG. Find out the fault, and when you get it figured out, maybe treat all tanks just to be safe, and go from there. My first thoughts were water quality and also cross contamination.

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Re: I am so feed up!!!!!
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2014, 11:39:45 AM »

Im sure I am speaking for many others, but I look up to you on this forum. I love the work you do on your tanks and you are def the best at setups IMO. Grind the teeth and get after it bud. Youll be alright. We need fish in that 265 as much as you do.  8) ;D

LOL - well said - this is so true....
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Re: I am so feed up!!!!!
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2014, 12:13:52 PM »
Sorry to read about the ich problems. Nox Ich is my favorite medication for ich and will blow the heck out of the ich, but it'll stain some plastics, including silicone, a nice green color. It's also potent, so be very careful with its use in any tanks with thin-skinned fish (catfish, loaches, etc). I've only had to use Nox Ich twice in my life, but I've tried the other remedies (heat, salt, etc) twice as many times and never found them exceptionally effective.

I've read/heard about ich always being present in every tank. Not sure I agree 100% with that statement, but I believe the potential for it is very common. Despite that, I still try to be careful where I get my fish from. For example, if a LFS has something really nice, but it's on a shared water system with another tank in which a tetra has a few spots of ich, I simply won't buy without the expectation of keeping the fish in a separate tank for 4-6 weeks under supervision and being ready to medicate if necessary.

If you have a sick fish, be very careful about sharing any nets/breeder nets/rocks/air stones/etc between other tanks for fear of transmitting the ich. Items should be sterilized before use elsewhere.

Is the 76F stable or does it fluctuate? If it's dropping to the very low 70s, the fish might be more stressed and become susceptible to ich.

You mentioned that you do frequent water changes. When you do water changes, I'd aim for water temperatures at least as warm as the tank, if not slightly warmer. I always strive for slightly warmer, but only check by hand, not with a thermometer. (Be careful to not going with really warm water, especially if it's a large water change (>20%) as it holds less O2 content).

P.S. my edit in the original post was to correct the spelling in the title.
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Re: I am so feed up!!!!!
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2014, 02:48:07 PM »
Sorry to hear that Steve.  Don't give up, just take a breath and make sure everything else is ok.  Believe it or not, most fish are replaceable, while losing them sucks as we all know, but the it is not worth giving up the hobby.  I find many more high points than low ones.
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« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2014, 04:26:38 PM »
Well the remaining pair of female white knights were dead this morning. Just a total bummer. The only "good" thing is that this is one of the holding tanks and not one of my show tanks upstairs, so I guess I should just be thankful that I finally started using holding/quarantine tanks so at least this isn't happening in my main peacock/hap tank. Guess the is trying to look on  the bright side at least.

Needless to say I am really bummed at losing these fish, and at the moment completely frustrated, but I'm not going to let it take me out of fish keeping. I'm still picking up fish from guys at the auction and will continue on with the big tank as planned. But I do need to figure out why this happened so I can prevent it in the future.

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Is the 76F stable or does it fluctuate?

Ron I would say it stays pretty stable, I don't think it fluctuates much that I have seen. The reason that tank was at 76 is the heater in that tank will hold no more than 76f during the winter because the basement itself gets down to about 52 F at night, so the heater in that tank is not able to go higher than 76 when the basement is that cold.

Far as nets and such I have 3 or 4 nets and I usually try to let them dry out before using the same one in a different tank. I have a submersible 700gph pump and a 50ft python style WC I use for WC's and usually I will do the pair of 55g show tanks on different days than I do the four basement holding tanks, that way the WC'er has a chance to dry out between using it on the other tanks so it doesn't transmit anything between tanks that way.

When I get new fish I float the bag in the holding tank and then dump the water/fish in a net over a bucket, I never let LFS water enter my tanks.

The white knight tank has been up and running for probably about 6+ months or more I think? I think it was back in the spring when I got them from Blair. Never added any other fish to that tank, always just been the knights in there. Just did a 50% WC in that tank just 3 days ago and the fish looked great, eating well, active no signs of anything. Then yesterday they were covered in white spots and their fins were all tattered looking. Now today they are all three dead.

Only thing I have done different in that tank is I feed them some thawed frozen krill as a treat last week and they loved it, so I feed them a bit more just after the WC a few days ago. Could krill possible introduce something like ich into a tank maybe?? If that's not it then I am thinking it might be the temp being too low. I started raising the other three basement tanks temps slowly this morning till I can get them up to 80F. Since the white knight tank is now void of fish I believe I will empty it out and clean the heck out of it then recycle it with some already established media from one of my good/clean tanks and start over with that tank I guess.

Certainly is a major downer to deal with losing fish twice in two months that's for sure. Just gotta find the cause and fix it I guess.
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Re: I am so fed up!!!!!
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2014, 04:35:36 PM »
Steve, I think you will have less issues when you get them into that big tank.  Keeping those fish in small tanks may stress them out even if you do all the right things.




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Re: I am so fed up!!!!!
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2014, 04:41:27 PM »
I know what you mean about the heaters.  I have 3 250w in my 140 gallon and the same in my 150 gallon to keep an even temp during the winter.

If you ever have issues... you can always add another heater to keep the temp even.

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Re: I am so fed up!!!!!
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2014, 04:44:20 PM »
That's a good point too Jon I didn't really think about that.

Ken I actually just ordered a new 100w heater off Amazon a minute ago. That hopefully should be able to get the temp in that tank up to around 80f once I get it set back up as a quarantine tank again. I think I'm going to just run bare bottom in that tank as well from now on. Since it's just a quarantine/holding tank then bare bottom will be easier to keep clean probably.
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Re: I am so fed up!!!!!
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2014, 07:10:11 PM »
If you want to give up on this hobby I can be over tomorrow in the morning to get that 265 out of your way. I can do this free of charge. Lol! That really sucks to hear about those white knights. That bums me out, those were pretty cool.
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