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General African Cichlid Hybrid Discussion
« on: November 05, 2013, 12:28:06 AM »
Here we go! ;)
 

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Re: General African Cichlid Hybrid Discussion
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2013, 06:18:36 PM »
Blair says, in a happy mystical voice "Don't hate those flowerhorns because they have pretty flowers on them".
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Re: General African Cichlid Hybrid Discussion
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2013, 09:56:12 PM »
Here's a little food for thought:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgObOjdelDw

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Re: General African Cichlid Hybrid Discussion
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2013, 09:58:11 PM »
HA that guy is kinda of a joke.

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Re: General African Cichlid Hybrid Discussion
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2013, 10:01:03 PM »
HA that guy is kinda of a joke.
Well, maybe so, but he's got an "opinion" too.

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Re: General African Cichlid Hybrid Discussion
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2013, 01:21:00 AM »
Yep kgtropicals guy is a DB.

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Re: General African Cichlid Hybrid Discussion
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2013, 09:00:23 AM »
Yup, that guy's an idiot.


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Re: General African Cichlid Hybrid Discussion
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2013, 09:08:27 AM »
I could only listen for a couple minutes.  The gum in the mouth while giving a speech drives me nuts.

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Re: General African Cichlid Hybrid Discussion
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2013, 02:00:32 PM »
My question is how does the MCA define a hybrid? I mean, if I had a Troph tank, and I only had Trophs in it, but each one was from a different collection point, They are all still the same species, so no hybridization would occur, since a hybrid is created by breeding one species with another to create a new man made species... A troph is a troph regardless of what part of the lake it came from.


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Re: General African Cichlid Hybrid Discussion
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2013, 02:15:49 PM »
My question is how does the MCA define a hybrid? I mean, if I had a Troph tank, and I only had Trophs in it, but each one was from a different collection point, They are all still the same species, so no hybridization would occur, since a hybrid is created by breeding one species with another to create a new man made species... A troph is a troph regardless of what part of the lake it came from.


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Intentionally breeding of different collection points is incredibly frowned on.  A troph isn't just a troph in fact many of them wont even inter breed at all.

There are 6 types of tropheus so far and they are still finding new ways to identify  them and placing them in different groups.  The 6 groups will not interbreed and even in the groups it seems to be a challenge to get them to interbreed for some species.  Im sure if you tried you could get the three types of Duboisi to interbreed although I doubt you could sell a single one unless you lied about it.

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"since a hybrid is created by breeding one species with another to create a new man made species"

Hybrids occur in the wild so there not just man made, also I guess breeding of collection points wouldn't be considered hybridization, just irresponsible.   No one does this on purpose at least not anyways that cares about the hobby in the slightest.

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Re: General African Cichlid Hybrid Discussion
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2013, 02:51:59 PM »
Also, it has been said many times, but hybridization in the wild only occurs when the fish can not find a suitable mate of the same species/ color morph. The ability to hybridize is a genetic advantage as a backup plan.

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Re: General African Cichlid Hybrid Discussion
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2013, 12:23:35 PM »
... breeding of collection points wouldn't be considered hybridization, just irresponsible.   No one does this on purpose at least not anyways that cares about the hobby in the slightest.
I thought your entire post was good, this is section really illustrates the most important part.

Is it scientifically a hybrid, no, but int he context of the hobby it would considered so and in very poor taste.

It's similar to our hobbies use of the filial system. We don't use it correctly in the hobby, but it's important for the context in which we use it - identifying fish closely related to wild caught origins verses those that are not.
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Re: General African Cichlid Hybrid Discussion
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2013, 08:25:16 PM »
So, the hobby's concern is maintaining the blood lines and appearance of the fish as close to what it would be in the wild.  Is that a correct assumption?

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Re: General African Cichlid Hybrid Discussion
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2013, 08:29:10 PM »
YUP! Read up on the stuff going on in Africa then you will see why it matters.