I can see the convict in them i think... I have had them for a few years now. Bought a few of them at 2 to 3in size and traded in the rest once i had a pair. The store i bought them from is no longer in business. Aquatics gardens is the place i traded the others to, the guy that worked there at the time thought they where festaes, but the male looks like he has parachromis traits. Anyways i am trying to downsize and open up some tanks. Now that i know they are crosses, i will trade them.