Michigan Cichlid Association
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: OTE on October 28, 2013, 03:56:51 PM
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Hey folks,
This is Brandon from Over The Edge
We are thinking about getting back into building aquariums. How does a 50 long glass aquarium for $65-$70 or a 50 breeder for the same price sound? Also considering custom glass tops. Thoughts, opinions much appreciated
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My only concern is that you will have stiff competition from Petco/Pet Supplies Plus when they do their dollar a gallon sales. The rest of the year it's a fair price for a new tank I think.
Especially for the 50 breeder (I assume that's 36x18x20?) because that size is harder to find.
Custom glass tops could be a thing because Lowe's etc is crazy expensive for nice glass (though sometimes I personally end up using thin glass to get by until I find a better lid). Glass shops sometimes do custom tops for fair prices, but that depends a lot on where people are. There's several near me SW of Detroit...I imagine the further from a metro area the harder to find a good glass shop?
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I saw on your website that you sell mostly wholesale, are these prices for wholesale customers or for one-off retail sales?
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A custom 55 we sell for 102 so that price isn't bad
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I would partner with the non chain pet stores. They don't make a whole lot (if anything) on tanks, so if you're providing quality at a more affordable price it might be worth it to them. Perhaps even sell in stores on consignment, since my guess is that they make more on fish, food, and equipment than they do on tanks.
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You're guess is correct.
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I saw on your website that you sell mostly wholesale, are these prices for wholesale customers or for one-off retail sales?
We will be going directly to the public with these tanks so anyone would be able to get those prices. We will be doing pickup orders only, at least for right now.
I know we are a little ways out of the metro area but i think people will drive a little out of their way to save money, especially in this economy
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My only concern is that you will have stiff competition from Petco/Pet Supplies Plus when they do their dollar a gallon sales. The rest of the year it's a fair price for a new tank I think.
Especially for the 50 breeder (I assume that's 36x18x20?) because that size is harder to find.
Custom glass tops could be a thing because Lowe's etc is crazy expensive for nice glass (though sometimes I personally end up using thin glass to get by until I find a better lid). Glass shops sometimes do custom tops for fair prices, but that depends a lot on where people are. There's several near me SW of Detroit...I imagine the further from a metro area the harder to find a good glass shop?
When petco runs those deals, We were thinking of offering deals like if you buy one of our lights or plates,etc. get your tank at a dollar per gallon. Stuff like that. I think There's a lot of ways we could compete with that dollar per gallon sale.
The main reason why we're debating getting back into building tanks is so we can help move more of our other items like our lights, plates, stands, racks, etc..
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Would you make cube tanks that aren't ridiculously expensive? I've been looking at "not standard" size tanks and jeez oh petes they are expensive I'm assuming it's because they are not mass produced.
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I'd be down for reasonably priced lids!
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My only concern is that you will have stiff competition from Petco/Pet Supplies Plus when they do their dollar a gallon sales. The rest of the year it's a fair price for a new tank I think.
Especially for the 50 breeder (I assume that's 36x18x20?) because that size is harder to find.
Custom glass tops could be a thing because Lowe's etc is crazy expensive for nice glass (though sometimes I personally end up using thin glass to get by until I find a better lid). Glass shops sometimes do custom tops for fair prices, but that depends a lot on where people are. There's several near me SW of Detroit...I imagine the further from a metro area the harder to find a good glass shop?
When petco runs those deals, We were thinking of offering deals like if you buy one of our lights or plates,etc. get your tank at a dollar per gallon. Stuff like that. I think There's a lot of ways we could compete with that dollar per gallon sale.
The main reason why we're debating getting back into building tanks is so we can help move more of our other items like our lights, plates, stands, racks, etc..
Sounds good and makes sense.
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Would you make cube tanks that aren't ridiculously expensive? I've been looking at "not standard" size tanks and jeez oh petes they are expensive I'm assuming it's because they are not mass produced.
I would second this. I really like the 24x18 size and 24x24 size right now but they are quite pricey unless you buy used.
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I know we are a little ways out of the metro area but i think people will drive a little out of their way to save money, especially in this economy
Right in my backyard! ;D
When petco runs those deals, We were thinking of offering deals like if you buy one of our lights or plates,etc. get your tank at a dollar per gallon. Stuff like that. I think There's a lot of ways we could compete with that dollar per gallon sale.
The main reason why we're debating getting back into building tanks is so we can help move more of our other items like our lights, plates, stands, racks, etc..
I think this is a great idea!
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Would you make cube tanks that aren't ridiculously expensive? I've been looking at "not standard" size tanks and jeez oh petes they are expensive I'm assuming it's because they are not mass produced.
We do plan on doing some custom tanks. What size cube tanks would you be interested in? what would be a reasonable price in your opinion?
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Would you make cube tanks that aren't ridiculously expensive? I've been looking at "not standard" size tanks and jeez oh petes they are expensive I'm assuming it's because they are not mass produced.
I would second this. I really like the 24x18 size and 24x24 size right now but they are quite pricey unless you buy used.
what would be a reasonable price in your opinion?
Just trying to get an idea on a price number we can shoot for
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I'd think about a 24x24 also. But, would need a stand with it too.
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I'd think about a 24x24 also. But, would need a stand with it too.
And a lid would be good as well - I saw that OTE makes the 24x12 and 36x18 lids which are great but didn't see any 24x18 lids. Might have missed them though. I'm looking forward to trying out one of the lights on my 24x18 'cube' after Friday.
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Would you make cube tanks that aren't ridiculously expensive? I've been looking at "not standard" size tanks and jeez oh petes they are expensive I'm assuming it's because they are not mass produced.
I would second this. I really like the 24x18 size and 24x24 size right now but they are quite pricey unless you buy used.
what would be a reasonable price in your opinion?
Just trying to get an idea on a price number we can shoot for
Probably not a dollar per gallon because they have more glass/unusual dimensions vs. the standard sizes but maybe in the ballpark of $50-$75 for the 24x18 and $75-100 for the 24x24? That might be unrealistic but that would be a very attractive price point for me. I believe one store in the greater Detroit area has the 24x18 for around $60...I think 24x24 is usually closer to $90-100, but I haven't called around to check pricing on that size.
I like the cube tanks especially for saltwater and for planted community tanks to put in a corner for example - I have one in the corner of my livingroom area. I'm not sure how big the market is for that size. Dan (djlamonica) wants them for a different purpose I think - to fit odd leftover space in his fishroom. There may be other use cases as well.
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I want a 24x24 for a corner myself.
Yes, lids and stand also.
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70 Square Buy This Online 30 x 30 x 17 Tall $364
65 Wide Buy This Online 36 x 24 x 17 Tall $334
Also a 36x30 tank height irrelevant would be interesting
That is an example of a tank size I'm interested in and a price I would never even begin to think about paying.
I think alot of "hardcore" fish people appreciate wider short tanks much more then the average hobbyist. I can understand why they are expensive because there not in demand. I mean $5 a gallon I wouldn't even think about it. 2-3 I might pick up a couple tanks. I get the $1 a gallon sale is hardly reasonable to compete with.
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I guess the real question is how much do tanks actually cost to make is $2-$3 a gallon even close to realistic.
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As someone that has purchased $1/gallon tanks, I have noticed the glass is thinner leading to a bow in the 29 gallons. I am not sure if the 40/50 breeders sold during these sales have a center brace, but I image they would be worse. So if your breeder tanks came with thicker glass, center brace and silicone options then I would pay more. Your 70-80 for 50 gallon seems fair.
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As someone that has purchased $1/gallon tanks, I have noticed the glass is thinner leading to a bow in the 29 gallons. I am not sure if the 40/50 breeders sold during these sales have a center brace, but I image they would be worse. So if your breeder tanks came with thicker glass, center brace and silicone options then I would pay more. Your 70-80 for 50 gallon seems fair.
Did the 29 bow immediately or over time?
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As someone that has purchased $1/gallon tanks, I have noticed the glass is thinner leading to a bow in the 29 gallons. I am not sure if the 40/50 breeders sold during these sales have a center brace, but I image they would be worse. So if your breeder tanks came with thicker glass, center brace and silicone options then I would pay more. Your 70-80 for 50 gallon seems fair.
Did the 29 bow immediately or over time?
Immediately, I have them turned and sitting on a rack and had lids made to go the other direction. The average consumer may not realize, but with my lids the extra distance in the middle is noticeable. The 20L's because of the shorter height are fine.
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I'd be down for reasonably priced lids!
Me too.
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Would you make cube tanks that aren't ridiculously expensive? I've been looking at "not standard" size tanks and jeez oh petes they are expensive I'm assuming it's because they are not mass produced.
I would second this. I really like the 24x18 size and 24x24 size right now but they are quite pricey unless you buy used.
what would be a reasonable price in your opinion?
Just trying to get an idea on a price number we can shoot for
Probably not a dollar per gallon because they have more glass/unusual dimensions vs. the standard sizes but maybe in the ballpark of $50-$75 for the 24x18 and $75-100 for the 24x24? That might be unrealistic but that would be a very attractive price point for me. I believe one store in the greater Detroit area has the 24x18 for around $60...I think 24x24 is usually closer to $90-100, but I haven't called around to check pricing on that size.
I like the cube tanks especially for saltwater and for planted community tanks to put in a corner for example - I have one in the corner of my livingroom area. I'm not sure how big the market is for that size. Dan (djlamonica) wants them for a different purpose I think - to fit odd leftover space in his fishroom. There may be other use cases as well.
Regarding the statement in bold above, I believe you're trying to say that cube tanks have more glass than standard tanks? If so, that's completely opposite of the truth. A cube would give you the greatest volume with the least surface area.
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As someone that has purchased $1/gallon tanks, I have noticed the glass is thinner leading to a bow in the 29 gallons. I am not sure if the 40/50 breeders sold during these sales have a center brace, but I image they would be worse. So if your breeder tanks came with thicker glass, center brace and silicone options then I would pay more. Your 70-80 for 50 gallon seems fair.
I have purchased 2 (40G) breeders for growing out corals in the past at the $1/GAL sale. Sold one and still have one. No bowing to my tanks. There is also no center brace to answer your question. $1 per gallon is tough to beat. I find myself not wanting to wait around for it as I am sure others are the same way. When I decide I want a tank, I want it now. lol. Those prices are really fair for year round. Its hard to find this good deal on craigslist for a used tank. I think making tanks would be beneficial.
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Would you make cube tanks that aren't ridiculously expensive? I've been looking at "not standard" size tanks and jeez oh petes they are expensive I'm assuming it's because they are not mass produced.
I would second this. I really like the 24x18 size and 24x24 size right now but they are quite pricey unless you buy used.
what would be a reasonable price in your opinion?
Just trying to get an idea on a price number we can shoot for
Probably not a dollar per gallon because they have more glass/unusual dimensions vs. the standard sizes but maybe in the ballpark of $50-$75 for the 24x18 and $75-100 for the 24x24? That might be unrealistic but that would be a very attractive price point for me. I believe one store in the greater Detroit area has the 24x18 for around $60...I think 24x24 is usually closer to $90-100, but I haven't called around to check pricing on that size.
I like the cube tanks especially for saltwater and for planted community tanks to put in a corner for example - I have one in the corner of my livingroom area. I'm not sure how big the market is for that size. Dan (djlamonica) wants them for a different purpose I think - to fit odd leftover space in his fishroom. There may be other use cases as well.
Regarding the statement in bold above, I believe you're trying to say that cube tanks have more glass than standard tanks? If so, that's completely opposite of the truth. A cube would give you the greatest volume with the least surface area.
I was getting at "more glass vs a 20 high" and "unusual dimensions justifies a higher price tag" but as written what I said made no sense. :) Thanks for the correction.
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I would buy 5 custom glass tops for ten gallon tanks if you could make them. My tanks are turned sideways on my tank rack so the small pane of glass faces out. I see this a lot with other fish rooms as well. Be nice if it had a small flip up feeding door on them. ;D
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thanks for all the replies everyone.
It looks like we will be building tanks again. We will provide you guys with some more details once we get everything finalized in the coming weeks
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Id buy just because you guys are with in the state. Not a big fan of the cheap Chinese crap coming out...
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Id buy just because you guys are with in the state. Not a big fan of the cheap Chinese crap coming out...
Completely agree
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Are the metal stand prices on your web site for retail sales?
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Are the metal stand prices on your web site for retail sales?
Yes, they are for retail. We list them cheap on our website because the cost of shipping these stands are expensive
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Hey folks.
just thought we would let you all know that we are now building aquariums. We are currently running a black friday special on Aquarium combos. If you are interested, act quickly as we only have a few of each combo in stock.
You can check out the prices on the combos here
http://www.aquariumframeswholesale.com/specials
Also, if any of you need any certain size aquariums made, we will be glad to quote them for you.
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Here are our beginnings of our aquarium showroom. Feel free to stop by and check out some of our aquariums if you're in the area
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Looks like a great start. I'm curious about the one that's a triangle with the point cut off. Is that listed on your website as to price or just an example of a custom tank you can do?
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Very cool, will be contacting you for prices on 40 longs and triple stands for them.
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I saw on your website that you sell mostly wholesale, are these prices for wholesale customers or for one-off retail sales?
We will be going directly to the public with these tanks so anyone would be able to get those prices. We will be doing pickup orders only, at least for right now.
I know we are a little ways out of the metro area but i think people will drive a little out of their way to save money, especially in this economy
I would only drive out of my way for rare things. Good luck though.
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Looks like a great start. I'm curious about the one that's a triangle with the point cut off. Is that listed on your website as to price or just an example of a custom tank you can do?
Just an example of a custom tank. built it out of some scrap glass we had lol
here's a better picture of it
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I saw on your website that you sell mostly wholesale, are these prices for wholesale customers or for one-off retail sales?
We will be going directly to the public with these tanks so anyone would be able to get those prices. We will be doing pickup orders only, at least for right now.
I know we are a little ways out of the metro area but i think people will drive a little out of their way to save money, especially in this economy
I would only drive out of my way for rare things. Good luck though.
Id rather support local then some cheap chinese garbage that is just gunna break in a year. Good luck with china!
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I saw on your website that you sell mostly wholesale, are these prices for wholesale customers or for one-off retail sales?
We will be going directly to the public with these tanks so anyone would be able to get those prices. We will be doing pickup orders only, at least for right now.
I know we are a little ways out of the metro area but i think people will drive a little out of their way to save money, especially in this economy
I would only drive out of my way for rare things. Good luck though.
Id rather support local then some cheap chinese garbage that is just gunna break in a year. Good luck with china!
Is... is this a reference to a facebook argument?
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No way were not talking about iPads
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Looks like a great start. I'm curious about the one that's a triangle with the point cut off. Is that listed on your website as to price or just an example of a custom tank you can do?
Just an example of a custom tank. built it out of some scrap glass we had lol
here's a better picture of it
How much would a setup like this run? I'm fascinated by it. :)
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Double sided bowfront would be neat to see.
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So a circle?
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So a circle?
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No lol. Not a circle.
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i was going to say that has been done
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Looks like a great start. I'm curious about the one that's a triangle with the point cut off. Is that listed on your website as to price or just an example of a custom tank you can do?
Just an example of a custom tank. built it out of some scrap glass we had lol
here's a better picture of it
How much would a setup like this run? I'm fascinated by it. :)
for the tank, stand, and full hood, you would be looking at around $115.00
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Looks like a great start. I'm curious about the one that's a triangle with the point cut off. Is that listed on your website as to price or just an example of a custom tank you can do?
Just an example of a custom tank. built it out of some scrap glass we had lol
here's a better picture of it
How much would a setup like this run? I'm fascinated by it. :)
for the tank, stand, and full hood, you would be looking at around $115.00
Thanks.
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Thats pretty cheap for all of that.
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I saw on your website that you sell mostly wholesale, are these prices for wholesale customers or for one-off retail sales?
We will be going directly to the public with these tanks so anyone would be able to get those prices. We will be doing pickup orders only, at least for right now.
I know we are a little ways out of the metro area but i think people will drive a little out of their way to save money, especially in this economy
I would only drive out of my way for rare things. Good luck though.
I've driven out there at least three times to pick up stand. It's not that bad and they do excellent work!!!
Kind Regards,
Peter Pellow
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Looks like a great start. I'm curious about the one that's a triangle with the point cut off. Is that listed on your website as to price or just an example of a custom tank you can do?
Just an example of a custom tank. built it out of some scrap glass we had lol
here's a better picture of it
How much would a setup like this run? I'm fascinated by it. :)
for the tank, stand, and full hood, you would be looking at around $115.00
Thanks.
How many gallons is it?
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13 gallons
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Looks like a great start. I'm curious about the one that's a triangle with the point cut off. Is that listed on your website as to price or just an example of a custom tank you can do?
Just an example of a custom tank. built it out of some scrap glass we had lol
here's a better picture of it
you should turn this one around and have the large side facing forward or better yet put the small side into a corner
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Looks like a great start. I'm curious about the one that's a triangle with the point cut off. Is that listed on your website as to price or just an example of a custom tank you can do?
Just an example of a custom tank. built it out of some scrap glass we had lol
here's a better picture of it
you should turn this one around and have the large side facing forward or better yet put the small side into a corner
Or flip it on it's back...then I could do an Egyptian pyramid 3D background in it, now that would be cool ;D
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You'd have to do each block individually :P
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Looks like a great start. I'm curious about the one that's a triangle with the point cut off. Is that listed on your website as to price or just an example of a custom tank you can do?
Just an example of a custom tank. built it out of some scrap glass we had lol
here's a better picture of it
you should turn this one around and have the large side facing forward or better yet put the small side into a corner
Here's a couple more pictures. Don't have a corner picture available at the moment
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should so attempt this.
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WOW- Birds and fish. Confusing for the eyes.
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Looks like a great start. I'm curious about the one that's a triangle with the point cut off. Is that listed on your website as to price or just an example of a custom tank you can do?
Just an example of a custom tank. built it out of some scrap glass we had lol
here's a better picture of it
you should turn this one around and have the large side facing forward or better yet put the small side into a corner
Here's a couple more pictures. Don't have a corner picture available at the moment
Are the sides at a 90 to each other? If so could it be done in say a 40? Also flip the lid around and leave the back wide enough for a HOB.
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no the angles can't be changed.
This tank is actually a hexagon bottom cut in half. We don't generally build tanks with all these different shapes but we just happen to have a crate full of hexagon bottoms that we are cutting to use any way we can.