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Offline Solaba84

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Which substrate???
« on: November 29, 2014, 01:12:56 PM »
I'm starting a new tank and will be my first ever cichlid tank. I really like the look of sand, but I understand that it becomes harder to clean when doing maintenance. Ive been looking at CaribSea African cichlid mix as it seems extremely healthy for the tank environment. The sand is more aesthetically pleasing to me, but are there reasons why the other larger substrates may be more beneficial? How would 2/3 sand and 1/3 larger substrate work??? Any help would be much appreciated.  Thanks in advance
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Offline Ron

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Re: Which substrate???
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2014, 01:47:23 PM »
If you mix substrate sizes, over time things settle and you'll have the small diameter substrate sink below the larger grained substrate.

The reason people complain about cleaning sand is because you can't use a gravel vac on it - there's nothing you can get near the sand with a syphon with that will pick up poop and not pick up sand grains when you're not careful. You can use a hose and syphon out the poop sitting on the top without the sand if you're careful. If you do syphon out sand ... sand is CHEAP compared to gravel (even the PFS sand that is now close to double what it cost 10 years ago.

The other reason people complain about sand is because the poop is normally a larger particle and sits atop the sand. If you had gravel, it'd sink into it. Then people would compare the sand tank verses the gravel one and say "wow, there's a lot of crap in that tank with the sand, unlike the tank with the gravel". Thing is, that poop sits and decomposes in the gravel tank. In the sand tank, you can syphon it out.

OR, if you have sufficient current, the poop in the sand tank will at some point get picked up, swirl around a bit, and make it into the filter where it's easily removed. The larger the grain sand, the greater the current you can have to swirl up the poop and not make a mess of the sand. Thus, PFS (pool filter sand) is the often recommended sand.

The special "cichld" gravels typically have limestone or some other passive buffer agent to help maintain a higher pH. This is cool, but you could just as easily add some limestone, crushed coral, etc, to the filter to help buffer the water. The buffering is greatest where you have greater water flow over the buffer. In the filter is great. As a substrate, the stuff on the very top gets good flow ... the lower depths of the substrate gets little flow unless you have a UGF ... and we don't recommend a UGF to ever be used for cichlids.  ;)
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Offline Solaba84

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Re: Which substrate???
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2014, 09:13:24 PM »
I appreciate that helpful info.  If i use a crushed coral or another type of rough substrate, will I be able to have a catfish in the tank and not harm it?
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Re: Which substrate???
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2014, 11:38:47 PM »
I appreciate that helpful info.  If i use a crushed coral or another type of rough substrate, will I be able to have a catfish in the tank and not harm it?

I wouldn't recommend it. Cats are scavengers, they spend a lot of time sifting through the substrate.
Also, depending on what fish you plan on keeping, be aware of which species dig more than others and their relative size.
Smaller fish that dig a lot could be damaged by rough substrate as well.

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Re: Which substrate???
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2014, 03:04:04 AM »
Pool filter sand mixed with the black&white Cichlid sand from CaribSea... it goes much further.  ;) 

Offline Solaba84

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Re: Which substrate???
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2014, 02:14:18 PM »
I plan on keeping peacocks and or mbunas
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