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Natural rock questions
« on: November 22, 2014, 02:13:36 PM »
Hello everyone.

I'm wanting to get some natural looking river rocks/stone/slate...you name it. I wouldn't mind heading out to a local river or lake to try and pick some up...at least before the water completely freezes. I am located in Detroit area...anyone know of a good lake or pond or river to find some?

Any help is nice, Thanks
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Re: Natural rock questions
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2014, 02:14:07 PM »
...and also what is the best/easiest way to clean them up?

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Re: Natural rock questions
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2014, 02:27:59 PM »
Chances are you will be subject to a theft charge and potentially trespassing to do something like that. I know it doesn't seem like it should be a big deal, but damn near everything belongs to someone, whether it's private property or property owned by the state.

I know that rocks from the LFS are typically priced high. Some are really nice and some are just priced high. You're best bet is to find a local landscaping place that sells rock. You should be able to handpick a nice pile of rocks for relatively cheap. Then you only need to perhaps give them a good scrubbing before using them in your tank.

If you do receive permission to collect rockwork from an aquatic location, then in addition to scrubbing, you'd probably want to bleach them as well for a period of time in order to make sure you don't get any hitchhiking aquatic pests, diseases, etc.
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Re: Natural rock questions
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2014, 04:21:48 PM »
I didn't think of that. Thanks!

Will check out local landscaping store for sure!

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Re: Natural rock questions
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2014, 09:15:48 PM »
Travel to a local farmer. Chances are they have a rock pile u could pick from.
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Re: Natural rock questions
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2014, 07:38:27 PM »
You want to make sure that found rocks are not going to act funny in your tank and cause big Ph swings.
Any rock you want to put in your tank should be tested with a weak acid, such as white vinegar, prior to being added to the tank.
Dribble a little vinegar on your stone, and if the stone fizzes and reacts to your acid it's quite basic and will effect the Ph in the tank and is therefore better avoided.
Some stones such as shale or mudstone will simply melt a bit but not fizz, but limestone and the like will react quite strongly.

Also, I've heard it's bad to boil rocks as water trapped inside them can convert to steam and cause them to shatter quite explosively.


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Re: Natural rock questions
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2014, 07:46:06 PM »
Let me clarify the part about boiling rocks. The intention is to kill whatever might be still attached to the rock and alive. You get a good boil going with just water in the pot and then submersed the rock for a brief period, say 10-20 seconds, and then take it back out. Doing this, if there is water trapped within the rock, the inner portion of the rock, water included, isn't going to reach 212F in just a few seconds, so there isn't the chance of explosion.

Don't put rocks into the water and then try to boil them. Also let the boil return between rocks being dipped - it tends to cool down and stop boiling when a cold rock is dipped in.
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Re: Natural rock questions
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2014, 12:47:58 AM »
Immersion in boiling water for a few seconds is a lot less effective against bacteria, than people think, you'll need more time in the boiling water than just a minute or two to kill everything.  My suggestion would be to mix up a bleach solution(1:10 dilution) and soak the rocks.  Put the rocks in an empty 5 gallon bucket as full as you can get it, then pour in premixed bleach dilution to cover the rocks, wait a half hour, pull out the rocks, rinse them off and let them air dry for a day. and repeat for as many rocks as you need.

(the following is from wikipedia concerning sterilization).

Boiling in water for fifteen minutes will kill most vegetative bacteria and inactivate viruses, but boiling is ineffective against prions and many bacterial and fungal spores; therefore boiling is unsuitable for sterilization. However, since boiling does kill most vegetative microbes and viruses, it is useful for reducing viable levels if no better method is available. Boiling is a simple process, and is an option available to most people, requiring only water, enough heat, and a container that can withstand the heat; however, boiling can be hazardous and cumbersome.

Bleach
Chlorine bleach is another accepted liquid sterilizing agent. Household bleach consists of 5.25% sodium hypochlorite. It is usually diluted to 1/10 immediately before use; however to kill Mycobacterium tuberculosis it should be diluted only 1/5, and 1/2.5 (1 part bleach and 1.5 parts water) to inactivate prions. The dilution factor must take into account the volume of any liquid waste that it is being used to sterilize.[24] Bleach will kill many organisms immediately, but for full sterilization it should be allowed to react for 20 minutes. Bleach will kill many, but not all spores. It is also highly corrosive.
Bleach decomposes over time when exposed to air, so fresh solutions should be made daily.[25]

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Re: Natural rock questions
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2014, 05:31:52 PM »
lilscoots so what is your advice for how long to and how much to bleach a particular rock?

Thanks for the info.

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Re: Natural rock questions
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2014, 06:06:53 PM »
My suggestion would be to put the rocks in an empty 5 gallon bucket, then pour in a premixed bleach dilution (1:10 dilution) to cover the rocks, soak them for a half hour, pull out the rocks, rinse them off and let them air dry for a day.  repeat for as many rocks as you need.

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Re: Natural rock questions
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2014, 10:26:39 PM »
Thanks so much!