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Filtration questions
« on: November 18, 2014, 07:29:22 PM »
Hello all. I currently own a Fluval C3  20-50gallon filter for my 55 gallon long tank. I only have 9 small cichlids in the tank. And even after water changes the water isn't crystal clear like I wish. I've had the filter for a couple years now. Time for a new filter or sponge? Thanks.

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Re: Filtration questions
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2014, 08:27:58 PM »
Hi Zach - welcome to the forum!

The manufacturer filtration ratings are typically very optimistic. It's probably good for a 50 gallon planted tank with a few guppies, but for a larger bioload, more filtration would be good on your 55 gallon. I'd definitely add another filter (a big one - it's hard to have too much filtration for cichlids!).

The sponges are typically reusable if you rinse them off. How are you currently cleaning the filter? How often and what volume are your water changes?
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Re: Filtration questions
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2014, 08:48:04 PM »
Thanks man! Ok...yeah I assume more filtration can't hurt!

I try to do a 5-10 gallon water change once a week...sometimes I forget. But I do use sand for substrate so it flurries around when fish swim real fast. Other than that I really enjoy the sand...prefer to stick with it.


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Re: Filtration questions
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2014, 09:44:50 PM »
FWIW I would do bigger water changes around 50% a week. Also I would pick up a bigger filter or add a sponge on a powerhead even. Generally I like to use a emperor 400 on 55s. Just because I know it can handle most of anything I throw in a 55 with in reason.

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Re: Filtration questions
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2014, 10:51:44 PM »
Generally I like to use a emperor 400 on 55s. Just because I know it can handle most of anything I throw in a 55 with in reason.
I'd normally throw 2 Emp 400s on a 4' tank.  8)

x2 on larger water changes, but not sure I agree with 50% weekly. 50% every 2 weeks would likely be fine (or sometimes longer). Larger volume water changes with a longer duration between changes are often better than very small water changes very often. Even 25% every 2 weeks would be better than 10% every week.

I'd asked about cleaning the filter, because if you're cleaning the biomedia for some reason, that could take out the beneficial bacteria to an extent that you'd get some cloudiness to the water until the tank can re-cycle.
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Re: Filtration questions
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2014, 04:20:18 AM »
I have two Fluval C4's and run each of those on 29g tanks.  I also run hydrosponge prefilters on them and like this setup a lot.  A C3 is a little small for a 55g tank. I would upgrade to a larger filter or get a secondary filter.
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Re: Filtration questions
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2014, 09:37:35 AM »
Thanks everyone...I will definitely look into upgrading my filter or getting another one!

As for water change, how does 25% every 2 weeks sound? good enough?

Thanks, Zach

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Re: Filtration questions
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2014, 09:37:10 AM »
Hey Zach, it's Dan.  Welcome. 

You want higher flow rate and bigger media volume (for more good bacteria to grow that breaks down the waste/makes the water clearer).  A single AC110 worked well for me on a 55g, or two of them if you're majorly overstocked (aqadvisor.com has a good starting point calculator for figuring this stuff out).  Occasionally you could get by with as small as an AC70, but that's not much less money, and you get double the media volume and 60-70% more flow in an AC110.  Starting out I only had a Whisper 60, and while nothing died, it got clogged with fish waste pretty often and the tank sometimes got cloudy. 

For water change, if you're doing every two weeks, I'd shoot for closer to 50% especially as the fish get bigger, or 25% once a week.  But I'll admit I've done the 25% every two weeks before on some tanks and it's been OK.  Fish are more resilient than some people give them credit for, which is not an excuse to neglect them, just an observation.  The problem with percentages is that it's more dependent on bioload of the fish.  9 1" fish produce a ton less waste than 9 3" fish.  So, how much water you have to swap out will change over time.

To save hassle, I'd get a water changer hose if you can.  Screws onto the faucet and sure beats hauling buckets.  Maybe you already have one.

Another factor that contributes to clear/not-clear water is algae growth.  I assume you don't have the tank where it gets direct sunlight?  If it's not in direct sunlight, then a better filter will help.  But if in direct sunlight, you'll keep having cloudy/green water.