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Offline Sean

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20 gallon high stocking
« on: January 29, 2014, 08:50:58 PM »
I was given a 20 gallon high tank and was thinking about what to stock with. Here's what I thought of off the top of my head:
Pair of paracyprichromis nigrippinnis (maybe Shellies with them)
Pair of calvus (Shellies with them)
Pair of rams
Pair or small group of apistos
Trio of cynotilapia afra white top Gallireya reef (not sure about this one)
Pair of julis and Shellies
Firecracker leleupi (possibly Shellies with them)
As far as Shellies go I like:
Neolamprologus meleagris
Neolamprologus hecqui
Neolamprologus ocellatus
Metriaclima lanisticola


Which do you guys think would work out best? Any other suggestions as far as what I can put in here? I realize its a pretty small tank so I tried to think on the smaller side. These are all fish I've never kept before besides the ocellatus and cynotilapia afra (questioning this one in such a smal tank bu wanted to see what you guys thought), so if I'm wrong in thinking that these could be in a tank that small let me know.

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Re: 20 gallon high stocking
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2014, 09:02:25 PM »
Jamarini would be an expert on the paracyps, as he's kept them longer than anyone else I know of in MCA.  I think he recommended a larger group to me and probably something like a 40 long minimum (or even a 55) because of their weird 3-d/vertical breeding behaviors and need for rocks or vertical structures away from the other tankmates.

Pair of rams, apistos, or a bunch of smaller shellies like multifasciatus should work. 

On the rams - go for german blue/gold/electric blue (but probably start with the german blue, because they're easiest to sex and hardiest of those three variants).  Skip Bolivian rams in a 24" tank as they get to be quite big in the long term and though not terribly aggressive, they do get feisty with each other.  Think sumo wrestling vs. MMA.  :)

Careful on the apistos in a 24" tank.  Make sure there are lots of caves for the male to hide and he will probably take a beating, so you may need to have a divider handy.  Many apisto females are quite aggressive especially post spawn.  My apistos (agassizi) also kept eating their eggs so after the 4th time I got tired of it and sold them off.  It could be you'd have success raising the eggs separately.

I believe Calvus with shellies = no fry, calvus will eat fry. 

Afra need a 30" tank minimum IMO, with a 36" or 48" being better  - I had a trio in a 20 long for a few weeks and the male and larger female killed off the smaller female.  Could be a trio was too small a group or that the tank was just too small.

Meleagris are definitely harder to find.  Someone from MCA picked up a group a while back but I'm not sure who. 

Ocellatus (gold, purple, or blue) are quite nice...20 long would be better if you wanted to try a trio, otherwise 20 high is fine for a pair.  If jcunningham0295, Dan K did (but I think may have sold off all extras), and Oyers in Brighton area usually have some gold/blue/purple, but not always available fry.

I'm not sure on the lanistocola - Jcunningham0295 has these, I think.

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Re: 20 gallon high stocking
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2014, 10:47:19 PM »
Lots of good info. The rams are cool and I really like the electric blues. The store I work at just got some really nice German blues which might be cool. A store by me just got the meleagris which is why I thought of them. I really like ocellatus also. I haven't really read much on the paracyprichromis so they're most likely out of the question if they breed like that. I haven't seen very many apistos anywhere near me, so I might have to look into them. I really liked the double red apistos I saw at the auction. I don't want something hard to raise eggs of, so they may be out. I love the look of calvus but they seem to grow sooo slow so they may be out, or maybe ill set up another tank for them. I think it's most likely going to be Shellies. I do really like julis and leleupi also, so hopefully someone will have some input on them. Thanks for the quick reply and all the good info
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Re: 20 gallon high stocking
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2014, 09:24:16 AM »
Lots of good info. The rams are cool and I really like the electric blues. The store I work at just got some really nice German blues which might be cool. A store by me just got the meleagris which is why I thought of them. I really like ocellatus also. I haven't really read much on the paracyprichromis so they're most likely out of the question if they breed like that. I haven't seen very many apistos anywhere near me, so I might have to look into them. I really liked the double red apistos I saw at the auction. I don't want something hard to raise eggs of, so they may be out. I love the look of calvus but they seem to grow sooo slow so they may be out, or maybe ill set up another tank for them. I think it's most likely going to be Shellies. I do really like julis and leleupi also, so hopefully someone will have some input on them. Thanks for the quick reply and all the good info

German blues can be really nice.  Personally I avoid ones that have bent fins or other weird deformities - an LFS by me got a bunch that way, like maybe the culled fry from someone that was looking to make a buck vs. have nice stock. 

If meleagris are near you they're nice; generally, they're hard to find from my limited observation over the last year.

Double red apistos are some of the easiest apistos and can make decent parents after a few tries. I wouldn't discourage you from apistos - either the species I had or the pair I had were not good parents in the setup where I had them.

If you do julies in a 20 high, do lots of rocks/structure and I'd go for smaller julies like transcriptus or dickfeldi or maybe marlieri gombe.  The others (marlieri and regani) get a bit large for a 20 high, probably, unless they're the only thing in there.

Leleupi can work in a 20 for a single pair, well bonded (but the pair bond can be weak), species only.  I had a good pair from auratus that I sold to a friend locally and he's been keeping them in a 20 - I think a 20 long though - and they've bred 3-4 times in the past year with no significant pair aggression.  He has lots of caves and a huge conch shell so they have plenty of hiding spots.

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Re: 20 gallon high stocking
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2014, 09:50:05 AM »
ok i didnt look a the fjns on the rams but they had really nice pjrple and blue in them. i really like the meleagris and fheyre pretty cheap. the julidichromis are cool and i should be ble to fid them near me.  the leleupi would be really cool jf i can find a pair. if i can find the apistos near me they may be an option. i guess it will boil down to what i can find easily so most likely the meleagris or julis or the rams. ill do some research an get tbe tank started. thanks!
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Re: 20 gallon high stocking
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2014, 11:54:51 AM »
ok i didnt look a the fjns on the rams but they had really nice pjrple and blue in them. i really like the meleagris and fheyre pretty cheap. the julidichromis are cool and i should be ble to fid them near me.  the leleupi would be really cool jf i can find a pair. if i can find the apistos near me they may be an option. i guess it will boil down to what i can find easily so most likely the meleagris or julis or the rams. ill do some research an get tbe tank started. thanks!

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Re: 20 gallon high stocking
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2014, 12:37:10 PM »
will do
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Re: 20 gallon high stocking
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2014, 08:38:57 PM »
I have lansticola, but the get over 5" full grown.  I kept and spawned them in a 20 high for a while, but then they had to be given more space.

I have meleagris, but no fry yet, although they are pairing off.
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Re: 20 gallon high stocking
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2014, 09:06:40 PM »
Pair of paracyprichromis nigrippinnis (maybe Shellies with them) - tank is too small
Pair of calvus (Shellies with them) - would be fine without adding other species
Pair of rams - would be fine without adding other species
Pair or small group of apistos - I think they would be fine without adding other species
Trio of cynotilapia afra white top Gallireya reef (not sure about this one) - tank is too small
Pair of julis and Shellies - tank is too small for both IMO, but either by themselves would be fine
Firecracker leleupi (possibly Shellies with them) - tank is too small for both IMO, but either by themselves would be fine
As far as Shellies go I like:
Neolamprologus meleagris - would be fine without adding other species
Neolamprologus hecqui - would be fine without adding other species
Neolamprologus ocellatus - would be fine without adding other species
Metriaclima lanisticola - tank is too small

My pick for the best choice would be one of the acceptable shellies. Next best, calvus pair, julie pair or apistos.
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Re: 20 gallon high stocking
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2014, 09:59:30 PM »
Ok, meleagris are really neat so I think i will end up puttin them in there. I also really like the leleupi but don't think I'll be able to find a pair. I think I'd be too impatient for calvus to grow. Most likely meleagris or ocellatus
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