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Offline four_by_ken

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This a German Red Peacock?
« on: March 11, 2013, 08:50:05 AM »
So, I adopted this fish thinking it was a German Red.  But, I am not so sure.

I originally put it in the 85 gallon Peacock tank, and it never really got any color.  Then, it started to pick on the other fish... so out it came and into the Mbuna tank.

I watched close and it is doing real well in there.  But, still not much color for its size.

What do you guys think?


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Re: This a German Red Peacock?
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2013, 09:23:21 AM »
Ken I suck at identifying fish so take this for what it is...but I do have a Male German Red in my all male peacock tank that is about 3" at the moment and he is just starting to show color. His tail has the look that yours has with the spots on it, but mine is getting more of an orange color where as yours looks a bit more yellow? and mine does not have the color that yours has on the top dorsal fin like that.

I don't think that is a German red...but like I said I could be totally wrong, I'm sure the other guys will be able to tell ya.
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Re: This a German Red Peacock?
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2013, 09:30:17 AM »
It could be a German Red,  as a hybrid /line bred fish there will be a lot of variation colorwise as adults.

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Re: This a German Red Peacock?
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2013, 09:44:41 AM »
It could be a German Red,  as a hybrid /line bred fish there will be a lot of variation colorwise as adults.
It's Aulonocara sp. "Stuartgranti Chipoka". Unless it was crossed with another species of peacock, it's not technically a hybrid.

Does that mean it's not a "German Red"? Nope.

Does it mean it's a "Red Rubin"? Maybe.

Could it be a "Rubescens"? Perhaps.

Those three are all line bred from the first one I listed. The color ranges from yellow to red. My understanding is that the "German Red" is line bred for the darker portion of the spectrum (more red), where as the other two are somewhere on the middle-lower portion of the spectrum.

While you would expect with good line breeding practices all the fry produced would look like their parents before being sold as such, from time to time culling a few outliers is probably necessary. If not, the line breeding efforts could be diluted. Many people aren't particular enough to care, so dilution isn't unlikely at some point.

My concluding thoughts.... It's not what I would call a "German Red", or a "Red Rubin" based on those I've seen/kept. I would consider it a "Rubescens" before the other two. Would I fault the supplier you got it from? No. Would I get stock from somewhere else if you really want a nice "German Red"? Yes.

As for the coloration vs size with regards to specifically "Haps" and "Peacocks": Some fish just color up better than others. I believe some of it's genetic, while some of it's environmental. And with regards to the environmental portion, I think there's a critical period before it's full grown in length where if it's stressed (aggression from other fish, poor water conditions, etc) and doesn't color up well, it'll never reach the potential of the species.
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Re: This a German Red Peacock?
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2013, 10:00:46 AM »
Thanks everyone.

I adopted the fish... so, I am not upset about it or anything.  I just would like it to get a little more color.  It is real healthy and doing great in with the Mbunas.   :o

Doesnt look to be bullied one bit, so we will see what happens.