Michigan Cichlid Association
General Category => New World => Topic started by: danotaylor on August 11, 2019, 11:15:32 PM
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G'day folks
Going back to my SA/CA roots for a season. Has anyone here had any experience keeping this species, also known as the white cichlid? The only info I could find on Google was from 2012 & the thread poster had a group that imploded when the alpha male killed all his male siblings. I was hoping to out a few in a 125 gal SA display I am planning but no nothing about them. Any experiences here? Anyone know where that can be sourced, preferably as 2-3" juvies?
Cheers.
Danny
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Search again using the current correct genus Maskaheros
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Thanks mate, will check it out!
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Got my info and found a supplier of every species I was hoping to find...all in 1 place...I'm amazed...now to sell my discus and make the switch...I'm super stoked to be going back to where it all began...a CA community display...I hope my 125 can handle it, lol!
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That sounds really cool Danny I love veija such cool fish are the Argentia the black and white? Also cant wait to see all of them.
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Glad to see you found a hook-up! Who had them?
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Cichlids of the Americas. I didn't know this guy even existed. I guess not unusual since I have kept Africans and discus exclusively since moving to the US. His website has some very cool CA/SA species. I think I have a buy for my whole discus group so maybe by the end of next week I will have made the change over...
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That sounds really cool Danny I love veija such cool fish are the Argentia the black and white? Also cant wait to see all of them.
Yes Brian, the argentea are the black & white ones. Apparently they can be pretty brutal but I am hoping if I get a few of the calmer species in the 3-5" range and the argentea in 2.5" range that they may grow up playing nicely. We'll see, lol. Should be a fun grow out that's for sure!
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Definitely I cant wait to see how it turns out there is nothing like a tank of big impressive fish. So cool great idea.
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I like the idea and am looking forward to seeing the project as it progresses
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Cheers you blokes, I will keep you posted. I think the best I can do is upload a YouTube vid link once I get this thing going as I don't have a host for images. That'll work out ok though...the only issue is my 125 gal is a bit of an old beater, lol, but it's better than nothing ;)
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Cichlids of the Americas. I didn't know this guy even existed. I guess not unusual since I have kept Africans and discus exclusively since moving to the US. His website has some very cool CA/SA species. I think I have a buy for my whole discus group so maybe by the end of next week I will have made the change over...
Ah, ok. I've ordered from him many times over the last 6yrs.
Cheers you blokes, I will keep you posted. I think the best I can do is upload a YouTube vid link once I get this thing going as I don't have a host for images. That'll work out ok though...the only issue is my 125 gal is a bit of an old beater, lol, but it's better than nothing ;)
The forum attachment deal is working now. No need for YouTube, if you don't want it.
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Thanks mate...nice to know you have had multiple orders from him...1 off reviews are ok, but being a repeat customer gives me a little more peace of mind to be sure. Online ordering & shipping can be a crap shoot sometimes.
Is it possible to load pics direct from my phone or laptop to the MCA site, or do they have to go through an imaging host? I had a bunch of pics on Photobucket when it switched over the being a pay only site. I have joined another image hosting site since...
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Yep...
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Bewdy mate, cheers! Never noticed that option in 4 yrs, lol...
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If you order from Cichlids of the Americas and want to offset some shipping costs let me know. I might go in on an order too. I want some Heterospilus and haven't been able to find them locally.
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That would be helpful Rob, but we relocated to Cincinnati last yr so I am not sure that would work out...
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Oh, ok! That won't work then. I saw Toledo and thought we were closer than that!
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I didn't realize my location was still up there, my bad mate. I will change that now...
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I have a sale lined up for all my discus this Sat. I have been in contact with Dan at cichlids of the Americas and have my order ready for payment as soon as the discus are gone and I have cash in hand. I decided on 2 bifas, 2 argentea, 2 regani, 2 synspilum, and 2 breidohri. I have a local source for some nice green carpintas Escondido which my wife loves. I will probably have to thin the herd or move up to a 180 sometime down the road but I'm looking forward to the grow out of these guys and getting a nice CA display happening once again. It has been 30 yrs!
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That sounds awesome Danny cant wait to see how it turns out should be a very fascinating tank.
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Thanks Brian! These are images from the web, but I hope are close to the shape/color I get with my order once they mature...
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Yeah that will be a sight for sure when they get big. It's so cool to have a tank of big fish!! And with all that color cant wait to see what you do for a scape are you thinking of doing plants too
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Dan... While your new stock will look like your attached photos, when they mature, unfortunately the breidohri will grow VERY slowly compared to the others. You probably will have to separate them from the others.
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Thanks Brian I will keep the updates & pics coming as things develop.
That's good to know bud...maybe I won't get the breidohri then as I have no other tank to move them too...I appreciate you telling me that mate!
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No problem. They're awesome fish. I'm currently keeping a bunch in my 135gal. They just grow SLOOOWWW!
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Ah cool mate. How big were they when you got them? How long have you had them? How big are they now? Do you have any pics you could show me?
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They currently range 3-5". Got them at 2-3" almost a year ago
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Dang, that is slow. Where did you source them? How many do you have? No stress, but I'd love to see a few pics if you have them...
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Danny, be careful with that South American Viagra, I've heard bad things.
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Danny, be careful with that South American Viagra, I've heard bad things.
:o bahahaha John you're hilarious ;D ;)
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Dang, that is slow. Where did you source them? How many do you have? No stress, but I'd love to see a few pics if you have them...
I got them from Fantastic Fins. Started out with 17. Dumped them all in my 135, then the smallest ones have been killed off along the way. I'd have to actually count them, but think there's 8-10 left.
Unfortunately I don't have any pictures. It's hard getting any good ones in my fishroom, because I mainly use ambient lighting.
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Ok mate, no worries. Thanks for responding about these guys anyway. I'm gonna cross them off my list. My tank would have ended up over stocked and suffering losses as a result anyways. Selling the discus today so I'll keep y'all posted here again soon!
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So I was tinkering around with the new hard scape for the CA cichlids today. Tank is a 125gal. This is what I came up with. Still a little cloudy from the new quartz sand . Thoughts for the species planned?
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Looks really good. Keep the updates coming
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Looks good
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Hard scape looks awesome so far danny I like the wood couple cool pieces. Cant wait to see the finished product
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Thanks guys! I'm not settled on the central part of the scape as yet, so I'll prob mess with that a little more before I'm satisfied.
Got my quote from Dan at CoA last night, will be paying today and arrange shipping for my off days next week. I was gonna leave out the V. Bifas but after seeing a video of his breeding group I couldn't leave them out. So 3 each of the Bifas, argentea, synspilum, and regani from Dan, 3 carpintas from my local specialty LFS. Will have to thin the herd as they put on size or convince the wife we need a 180 ;)
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Still not sure if I'm happy...the 1 piece of wood I would like to remove is my wife's favourite piece...
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Got a short vid of my Paraneetroplus breidohri and a couple managuense...
https://michigancichlid.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=10054.0
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So I ended up changing my stock list. I did not order from Dan. My LFS had the carpintis I wanted and when I went in to get them he had a really nice 4.5" hartwegi, some 5" synspilum, really nice imported fire mouths. I decided to support my local and buy them. Will post pics soon...
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Oh, cool!
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Nice cant wait to see them
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So over the past week I have had some big blow ups with aggression and the firemouth & least dom carpintas have gone to be with Jesus :) The Nicaraguensis seems to be the perp which surprises me as they 4-5 on the aggression scale of most places I checked. Ah well, it happens...
Here is a video as promised of the remaining 6 fish. The tank is a little cloudy as I just did a 70% water change this morning, and despite soaking my wood for months with regular wc's, it is still leaking tannins into my tank.
Enjoy!
https://youtu.be/viEjJjYc2yc
One new behavior I haven't ever seen in my 38yrs of fish keeping is that the hartwegi will sit down against the sand and fan with it's pectoral fins furiously and seems to be looking for food in the stirred up substrate. Perhaps they eat aquatic insect larvae and nymphs in the wild. Whatever the reason it is very cool to watch. If I can catch it on vid I will share it here later...
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One new behavior I haven't ever seen in my 38yrs of fish keeping is that the hartwegi will sit down against the sand and fan with it's pectoral fins furiously and seems to be looking for food in the stirred up substrate. Perhaps they eat aquatic insect larvae and nymphs in the wild. Whatever the reason it is very cool to watch. If I can catch it on vid I will share it here later...
Close... They are a Detritivorous, Herbivore species.
Tank looks good!
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Awesome tank Danny sorry you had some losses but it looks great cant wait to see those guys grow out
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Thanks guys! I'm looking forward to seeing them get big. Hopefully they can coexist in the 125g...but since my wife loves loves loves the carpintas if I need to go bigger my fingers and toes are very crossed, lol.
I have never heard the term detritivorous. I googled it. That's cool, like a scaley earthworm, haha!
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A few crappy phone pics from today. The synspilum are showing some good potential, as are the carpintas. The hartwegi wasn't feelin it for the shoot today :P
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Mr Hartwegi decided to show himself...
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Looking great Danny I love the look of the sa/ca cichlids such awesome color and patterns. I really like your new tank keep the updates coming
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Showing off even more later tonight...
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They're looking good! Just keep up water quality and them well fed, they're just going to get better and better looking.
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Thx mate. I wc 50% every 2 weeks and since losing the fire mouth & 1 carpintas to aggression there's only 6 fish in the 125gal. Unless I find a decent sized hartwegi or argentea I will leave well enough alone.
I feed Ken's spirulina flakes, Australian freeze dried black worms with spinach, and xtreme big fella pellets.
The wood is still leeching lots of tannins which makes the water look nitrate laden but they're actually <20 pre water change.
Looking forward to seeing these guys grow some more for sure!
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Anyone else have hartwegi? Love to see a pic of yours if you do for comparison. Mine is the only one I have ever seen in person and it's colors really amaze me after keeping African cichlids for a decade. Please share pics if you do. Thx
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I have been really surprised by how aggressive my lone 4" Nicaraguensis is...I included it because reviews I read score the species well below carpintas and the Vieja's on the aggression scale but he is the tank bully for sure. He hasn't hurt any of the other fish and hopefully as the others outgrow him the balance will shift. Any other experience out there to comment on with this species?