Michigan Cichlid Association
General Category => New World => Topic started by: Stramn on October 19, 2014, 12:23:40 PM
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Seriously guys, I went to the auction yesterday, and was sad, it was my very first MCA event and out off 200 bags I saw god for auction a majority were angelfish, and Africans. I don't know about you guys, but for me angels and Africans are girly wimp fish.
I know there are breeders out there with some truly prolific monsters, lets flood the auction next November, with some truly glorious fish!
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I believe I saw an oscar and a motaguense go through. I realize these aren't glass bangers, but I did see a number of bags of apistos, nanoluteus, and a couple of other oddballs go through.
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Sorry Devin, I got up late & didn't bring any devils to add to the mix.
Besides that - most of us that have fry from New Worlds don't have them at sellable size yet.
I would expect to possibly see trimac, festae, carpintis, cubans, tepehua, haitiensis, citrinellus, dovii, lyonsi, maculipinnis & MAYBE even some minckleyi at the MCA winter auction in February.
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I primarily keep dwarf cichlids of which there were few this time around. I still found the auction enjoyable. Lots of stunning angelfish, some hard to find plecos and of course some choice Rift Lake beauties. The MCA auction is still one of my favorites in the Michigan and southern Ontario region. Gotta make some time to catch a meeting this fall/winter.
Looking forward to the winter auction next year!
Jay
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I bought the mota actually Marty, it was a steal of a deal. I'm just sad that u see a 6" Moba frontosa male go for nearly 50$ and that a stunning mota that I snagged for 15. I just figured there would be more than 15 bags of "real fish." I know some people like all thier fish to have the same body profile with slight variants of color patterning, but there are also those of us who like glass banging sumbitches.
I'd just like to see more glass bangers hit the block next auction. This is the MCA after all, not the Michigan Africans and Angels Association.
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I bought the mota actually Marty, it was a steal of a deal. I'm just sad that u see a 6" Moba frontosa male go for nearly 50$ and that a stunning mota that I snagged for 15. I just figured there would be more than 15 bags of "real fish." I know some people like all thier fish to have the same body profile with slight variants of color patterning, but there are also those of us who like glass banging sumbitches.
I'd just like to see more glass bangers hit the block next auction. This is the MCA after all, not the Michigan Africans and Angels Association.
That's the thing... if people aren't breeding them & bringing them, then they won't be there.
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Exactly what Blair said. If there is people in this area breeding them encourage them to get involved with it. I know a lot of people are not going to bring nicer fish because a lot of the times people try really really hard to get it for next to nothing.
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I bought the mota actually Marty, it was a steal of a deal. I'm just sad that u see a 6" Moba frontosa male go for nearly 50$ and that a stunning mota that I snagged for 15. I just figured there would be more than 15 bags of "real fish." I know some people like all thier fish to have the same body profile with slight variants of color patterning, but there are also those of us who like glass banging sumbitches.
I'd just like to see more glass bangers hit the block next auction. This is the MCA after all, not the Michigan Africans and Angels Association.
That's the thing... if people aren't breeding them & bringing them, then they won't be there.
It's a catch 22. People breed Central/South American cichlids and get $1 or less each for juvies, so they don't bring them, so they're not available.
I'm with you on the American cichlids being great species but because they're not primary colors, because of their adult size, and because they're so prolific with fry (for the most part), they're probably never going to have the mass appeal that some of the most common African cichlids do.
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I saw a couple convicts for sale so I don't know what you are complaining about.
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That's the issue we are running into, new world breeders have no incentive to bringing stuff since they go too cheap. I mean the electric blue Dempseys didn't even go above 25$ for a group of 5. When normally they are 18-24$ each everyday.
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I saw a couple convicts for sale so I don't know what you are complaining about.
Lol!
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The electric blue jacks went for 80... It was something a lot of us were a little confused.
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I was actually surprised by the amount of angelfish. I don't think I've seen so many at any other auction in the past year. And that plecos were flying out so cheap too!!
It was a good day, good auction, but not as nice of a mix as I've seen at past auctions.
Please don't let it deter you from coming back for future auctions! It was really nice meeting you!
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I saw a couple convicts for sale so I don't know what you are complaining about.
Good one!!!! :)
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That's the issue we are running into, new world breeders have no incentive to bringing stuff since they go too cheap. I mean the electric blue Dempseys didn't even go above 25$ for a group of 5. When normally they are 18-24$ each everyday.
There was a bag of these that went for $80 and then the other bag was around $30.
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And for what it's worth I can buy bigger electric blue jacks for like 8 bucks from a store near me.
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Must of been after I left. I saw 3 out of 5 bags of them pass through
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That's the issue we are running into, new world breeders have no incentive to bringing stuff since they go too cheap. I mean the electric blue Dempseys didn't even go above 25$ for a group of 5. When normally they are 18-24$ each everyday.
There was a bag of these that went for $80 and then the other bag was around $30.
$26
$80
$40
$40
^^ That's what the four EBJD bags went for. (Unofficially )
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Almost ready to kick the door down ;)....but stram you right outlook looks bleak ..i almost rather keep my fish than give them away at auction as many are not in the market for them( leasts not at auction)...they like those pretty fish that all look the same......
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Almost ready to kick the door down ;)....but stram you right outlook looks bleak ..i almost rather keep my fish than give them away at auction as many are not in the market for them( leasts not at auction)...
Why would there be people showing up for something that they haven't seen? The best way to influence what is in the auction is to bring what interests you and perhaps it'll help interest in those items gain momentum.
Now, if you're worried about losing some pricey fish for nothing, I have 2 thoughts:
1. With fish species whose spawns number 100+ fish, it strikes me as hard to get a high price because less than a single spawn could potentially meet demand.
2. The MCA auction rules allow for entering fish with a reserve price (minimum) for a small fee. A few bucks could help ensure that you don't let your fish sell for less than what you consider reasonable.
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2. The MCA auction rules allow for entering fish with a reserve price (minimum) for a small fee. A few bucks could help ensure that you don't let your fish sell for less than what you consider reasonable.
thats good to know i was not aware..
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There were also a number of EB Rams that were available.
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I've converted to only NW's over the last couple of years. I need to do a better job of posting pictures, video, etc. to kind of bring attention to some of these cool species that most African keeper's probably don't now about or haven't seen them in their full adult colors. (Beyond the normal/common LFS offerings.)
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Its not a matter of one spawn covering your auction losses. There are several beautiful New Worlds that get passed up at auction because people just don't know what they are. I feel a lot of it is simply an education issue. A lot of people just don't give a damn, because they think all new worlds are giant evil fish, that require a minimum of 90gallons per fish. This of course is not true, but hey I guess people just don't like fish that come in different shapes, sizes, and attitudes.
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I believe this is the norm all across the country.
We had an all fish and plant auction in Milwaukee last week, angelfish, and African cichlids dominated.
I saw bags of 5" F1 frontosa go for @$10, lemon yellows less, black calvus more, a plethora of bags with Nimbochromis, so they were basically given away for <$5 per bag.
New world cichlids are always less than 20% of total bags here, I picked up a bag of 2 young Amphilophus flaveolus for $7, and brought a bag to the auction of half dozen Chuco intermedia fry, think it went for maybe $10.
There were also other cichlids, Geophagus, west Africans, Victorians etc.
brought these.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i97/dstuer/intermedium/2nd%20round/spawn/fry/IMG_6359_zpsf25bef82.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/dstuer/media/intermedium/2nd%20round/spawn/fry/IMG_6359_zpsf25bef82.jpg.html)
bought these
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i97/dstuer/amphilophus/flaveolus/IMG_6411_zpsc2d07db2.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/dstuer/media/amphilophus/flaveolus/IMG_6411_zpsc2d07db2.jpg.html)
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I think you are mistaken... How about this instead of complaining about the issues why don't you take action get out from behind your keyboard and bring some fish who cares if you loose some money on them you are contributing. You are getting fish out to people who normally don't see them someone would be willing to try them. You can't just sit at your computer and expect ranting on a forum will really change anything. Maybe in January figure out what you are going to bring and start a post saying "what fish are you bringing to the auction?" get the ball rolling yourself. It wouldn't be realistic anyhow for the club to tell people what they can and cannot bring just to make someone happy.
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Its not about telling people what to bring or not to bring, I'm just sad the new worlds aren't as popular in our area. I'm just not sure how to get people into new worlds, need a plan of some sort. Maybe some sort of grow out competion or something.
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Like I said get the ball rolling yourself. Don't wait for someone else to do it. Bring them someone will buy them and it will snowball. Who cares what you make off the fish If that is your biggest concern maybe you should rethink the hobby.
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I've been thinking about this and have brought a handful ideas to the table in the past. For starters, try not insulting the people who you are trying to persuade. This is a hobby with two subcategories; Old World and New World. If you want more New World, your only hopeful converts are Old World people. Insulting their tastes really does not help you. At all.
"Glass bangers" take up huge tanks because they kill each other.
Dwarf cichlids can be difficult to keep.
Geos prefer season cycles and most don't have that much color.
The New World side of the hobby is filled with hybridization, which is largely looked down upon on the Old World side.
I don't see what you think New World has to offer other than what is relatively obvious. Most New Worlds are unwise to buy in the quantities they spawn. Buying two bags of six festae is not a long term option. Buying four bags of six tropheus is. Festae spawn in huge numbers and tropheus spawn in very small numbers. Simple economic concepts can tell you where the money is.
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If you want more New World, your only hopeful converts are Old World people. Insulting their tastes really does not help you. At all.
Totally disagree. You've got guppy people, community tropical people, saltwater people, people who don't know they want a fish tank yet, etc. There are plenty of other people to convince to join the dark side. ;)
I do agree with some of the reasons why they aren't more popular, especially the limited quantity which can be kept in harmony together and the economics of fish that have exceptionally large spawns (we have this problem with some Old World species too - haps, etc).
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If you want more New World, your only hopeful converts are Old World people. Insulting their tastes really does not help you. At all.
Totally disagree. You've got guppy people, community tropical people, saltwater people, people who don't know they want a fish tank yet, etc. There are plenty of other people to convince to join the dark side. ;)
I meant on this forum, since he's complaining about it on this forum.
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What if he posted it on Michigan reefers that would be awkward
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A little late to the party here, I keep all south Americans and I used bring them to the auctions but even my big stuff sold for very low prices was hardly worth bagging them up. I have not been saving my dry though maybe in 2015 I'll get back to growing some fry out and bringing them. I'll for sure have severums. Hopefully uaru and some earth eaters. Not glass bangers by any means though.
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There's another thread related to this topic in the New World section called "prove us wrong" which asks for pics of colorful New Worlds. There's quite a few awesome fish that a few New World keepers have posted. I'd encourage folks to check those out. Not all of them are killers or require larger than average tanks. But the ones that do are quite spectacular in their own right and have a personality that you really don't see in Africans. Having kept Africans for 30 years, but having New Worlds now I see the beauty in both.