Michigan Cichlid Association
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: four_by_ken on December 21, 2013, 09:51:51 AM
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I have wanted to do this for so long... hard to resist now that I will be setting up a larger tank.
I tried once when I was about 10-12 years old with a brook trout I caught up near Alpena with a tiny net. I had it for a few months and then it just disappeared.
I think a tank with some large/large mouth bass or some yellow perch would be really cool. Maybe some rainbow trout. I never really looked into what it would take to keep them happy. But, these are just some that popped into my mind when I was thinking about this.
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A chiller is the big thing
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A chiller is the big thing
Or just have it in my basement. 8)
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The January meeting will feature a native talk given by Mike Z/zchallenger....
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The January meeting will feature a native talk given by Mike Z/zchallenger....
January 3rd, right?
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Does it stay cold year round in it? if so yeah thats a easy way around it.
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Does it stay cold year round in it? if so yeah thats a easy way around it.
Yeah, even in the summer its pretty cool down there. I am comparing to what I know about say Lake St. Clair as far as temps go.
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Colder than it is in on the main floor with the AC on in the summer. And we keep it at like 75 on the main floor.
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Someone say trout? :D Now you're talkin my language ;)
As Dan said you need a chiller if you try to keep trout in the home. Being the huge fly fisherman I am I actually considered trout in the 265 tank I'm building but decided against it due to how much chillers cost and the power they suck from the electric bill. Rainbow trout need water temps around no higher than 65-67f at the higest, or a tad less most of the time. They can survive at temps up to 75 for short times but at those temps they need constantly moving highly oxygenated water. Hence why you will find rainbows in the faster moving riffles & runs on a river during the summer rather than in the slower pools of a river.
Brown trout can handle a bit higher temps then rainbows so browns would be better suited to a tank than a rainbow, but still in the heat of summer even in a basement it will get into the mid 70's or more at times which is not good even for browns. So a chiller is pretty much needed for long term care anytime trout are in the picture.
Smallmouth would be the best option if you have a bigger tank for them because a smallmouth can reach 20"-23" so it would need a very large tank to be happy. Throw in some sunfish as well to add some color. I had some sunfish in a tank years ago and they do really well in an aquarium. The ones I had were feed feeder fish and they grew to pretty impressive size before I moved and had to give them up year ago.
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Hmmm....
Maybe not.
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I'm not positive but isn't it illegal to keep native fish..
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I'm not positive but isn't it illegal to keep native fish..
Who invited you?
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Long as they are of legal minimum size when you catch them then you can do as you please with them.
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I'm not positive but isn't it illegal to keep native fish..
Who invited you?
Hey - just because your a BOD doesn't give you the privilege to be a mean old grumpy SOB ! LOL
Oh wait yes it does !
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I'm not positive but isn't it illegal to keep native fish..
Who invited you?
Hey - just because your a BOD doesn't give you the privilege to be a mean old grumpy SOB ! LOL
Oh wait yes it does !
You came in and rained on my parade... but, the sun came out and dried up your negative thoughts.
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Actually if you buy them in the spring when they do the fish sales for stocking ponds all you need is to keep the receipt and keep up with keeping a valid fishing license you are good to go. Before I was let go we set up a 460 gallon native tank for a bar so we had to do some research before we put fish in. The only one the DNR had issues with were the carp they said those had to go. Not sure why but oh well.
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The only one the DNR had issues with were the carp they said those had to go. Not sure why but oh well.
Were they Silver or big head carp? If so then that would be why. If they were just common carp then I don't know why they would have an issue with that that's odd.
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Nope just common carp. Not sure what the issue was.so the guy the tank was for put some Koi in there. looks goofy now but whatever.
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Yeah that's weird. Then again no telling, the MDNR doesn't always make a lot of sense at times ;D
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A small native tank with darters would be sweet. It will cost a sh*t ton to chill a large tank year round but darters are Michigan native and can go in a way smaller tank. It still needs to be chilled but it will cost substantially less. There are a bunch of different types out there (a few are protected) but they might be something you might like that's a little different.
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Just remember that if you keep natives you can't dump them into a stream/pond/lake or whatever due to health/disease concerns.
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Just remember that if you keep natives you can't dump them into a stream/pond/lake or whatever due to health/disease concerns.
LUNCH ! :P
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Just remember that if you keep natives you can't dump them into a stream/pond/lake or whatever due to health/disease concerns.
LUNCH ! :P
Technically can't do that either IIRC based on fish food labels.
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For personal consumption how would that be moderated, I don't think I could do it, knowing that I raised it in one of my tanks, but all the same farmers do it all the time with their livestock...So what is the difference?
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I'm not sure you'd get arrested for it. As best I recall most fish foods, if you buy a large enough container, tend to have some clause about not being used for fish raised for consumption. My guess is that for consumption approval, there's probably additional testing that is required to make it "approved".
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Mad Fish Disease?!?!?!?!? :o
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I don't think I could eat them after raising them.
My fish become pets.
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I have wanted to do this for so long... hard to resist now that I will be setting up a larger tank.
I tried once when I was about 10-12 years old with a brook trout I caught up near Alpena with a tiny net. I had it for a few months and then it just disappeared.
I think a tank with some large/large mouth bass or some yellow perch would be really cool. Maybe some rainbow trout. I never really looked into what it would take to keep them happy. But, these are just some that popped into my mind when I was thinking about this.
If you do just bass, perch, sunfish and bluegill you won't need to chill the flanks at all. Room temperature is fine for them. The only thing that needs a chiller is of you do trout. IMO pumpkinseeds have great color that rival most tropical fish. Especially the Missouri long ear. (I know your staying Michigan native, bit they look fantastic)
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I'm not sure you'd get arrested for it. As best I recall most fish foods, if you buy a large enough container, tend to have some clause about not being used for fish raised for consumption. My guess is that for consumption approval, there's probably additional testing that is required to make it "approved".
Sorry, I am slow Ron - you have to cut me a break as I am on vacation - LOL, I now understand where you were coming from. ;D
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I'm not sure you'd get arrested for it. As best I recall most fish foods, if you buy a large enough container, tend to have some clause about not being used for fish raised for consumption. My guess is that for consumption approval, there's probably additional testing that is required to make it "approved".
Sorry, I am slow Ron - you have to cut me a break as I am on vacation - LOL, I now understand where you were coming from. ;D
No worries - hope you have a great vacation. ;)
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I was looking up about fish hatcheries in Michigan, and it seems to keep most native species you are required to have an inspection, pay lots of $$/year, and get a specialized license. This seems if you are selling or transporting them though.... The link I found is below.
http://www.michigan.gov/mdard/0,4610,7-125-1569_16979_21263---,00.html (http://www.michigan.gov/mdard/0,4610,7-125-1569_16979_21263---,00.html)