Michigan Cichlid Association

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Title: breeders award program
Post by: djlamonica on August 07, 2013, 02:00:12 PM
There used to be a breeders award program I've heard is there a reason it is gone?  Could I start something like this on my own just for fun.  I've been looking at some of these programs in other clubs I think I could put together something simply and fun and do it myself. 

Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: Marty on August 07, 2013, 02:21:56 PM
It's not "gone" we just need to get the website up to make it easier to participate.

If you like, I can email you a form along with the rules, so you can submit spawns.  It would be no problem to do this for anyone else that's interested as well in the meantime.
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: RichE on August 07, 2013, 02:27:16 PM
How does this work, do you just submit pictures of what has spawned or do you need to bring it to the meeting(s)

Would it be fish that are only allowed in the auction(so no hybrids or peacocks)?
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: djlamonica on August 07, 2013, 02:34:21 PM
Yes please email the forums. Djlamonica@hot mail.com thanks
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: linuxrulesusa on August 07, 2013, 02:44:15 PM
It's not "gone" we just need to get the website up to make it easier to participate.

If you like, I can email you a form along with the rules, so you can submit spawns.  It would be no problem to do this for anyone else that's interested as well in the meantime.

I think I submitted some spawns a while back but didn't hear anything and forgot about it.

Also curious like Rich about the process for verification.
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: Marty on August 07, 2013, 02:50:00 PM
I'll go into more detail this evening when I have more time.
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: Regalblue on August 07, 2013, 05:06:57 PM
Best way of verification is to bring them to a meeting or to have somebody on the BOD come by.

Only Cichlids count twards points
 NO hybrids will be awarded points,

Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: danielratti on August 07, 2013, 05:10:22 PM
And they have to be your fish correct? not fry you bought from someone or place
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: RichE on August 07, 2013, 05:18:08 PM
And they have to be your fish correct? not fry you bought from someone or place
I would think that since its a breeder program they have to be fish the you breed

If it was a Picture contest then I would say yes any fish
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: Regalblue on August 07, 2013, 05:53:52 PM
And they have to be your fish correct? not fry you bought from someone or place
Lol Yes they have to have been bred by you.

There's a lot more to it,  but Marty will explain all that.
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: PowerCerg One on August 07, 2013, 05:56:51 PM
And they have to be your fish correct? not fry you bought from someone or place
I would think that since its a breeder program they have to be fish the you breed

If it was a Picture contest then I would say yes any fish

I think he's more curious how you prove that YOU were the one who bred the fish. You could buy a sack of fish from the Oyers and claim them if you don't have to prove you have parents.
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: danielratti on August 07, 2013, 06:00:29 PM
I was disapointed when I saw cichlids only I got tetras and danios I want to cash in on...
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: Regalblue on August 07, 2013, 06:18:36 PM
And they have to be your fish correct? not fry you bought from someone or place
I would think that since its a breeder program they have to be fish the you breed

If it was a Picture contest then I would say yes any fish

I think he's more curious how you prove that YOU were the one who bred the fish. You could buy a sack of fish from the Oyers and claim them if you don't have to prove you have parents.
If somebody is going to be that petty & lie about spawning a fish,  then they really need some help. But we verify everything to the best of our abilities. 

I was disapointed when I saw cichlids only I got tetras and danios I want to cash in on...
Sounds like you should join Motor City Aquarium Society too. Many of us,  including myself,  are members of both clubs.
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: Marty on August 07, 2013, 06:30:27 PM
I was disapointed when I saw cichlids only I got tetras and danios I want to cash in on...

Sorry Daniel, at this point we don't have any plans to expand into all species for our BAP.  I know that both Motor City and Greater Detroit have programs.  I also feel your pain.  There are a number of rainbows and corydoras that I've spawned that I could've gotten credit for.

Yes, fish have to be bred by you. 

The fish can be verified by either having another member sign off on your form or bringing in fry to a meeting to be raffled or auctioned off.  If you're a long distance away with no members nearby, you can email me pics of the fry and parents.

Dan Lee - I have the spawns you submitted to me, I just didn't have a time to print out the certificates for you before the meeting so I could present them to you.  Do you plan to be at the Sept or Oct meetings?

Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: RichE on August 07, 2013, 08:56:00 PM
Do convicts count?

I know its a "not so popular" fish, but I did have a pair of marble convicts that have spawned and Another Member has been witness to both parents and fry,and Yes They are MY FISH!!!!!
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: djlamonica on August 07, 2013, 09:30:59 PM
All programs have different rules.  Some times the harder the fish is to breed the more points it's worth. Some times all fish are worth the same.  Fish breed in the past usually don't count.  You usually need to keep a log so dated pictures of parents then the fry and then the fry at 30 days and fry at 60 days then you submit and get points.  At certain number of points you'll get an award or some say 100 points breeder level one 200 points breeder level 2.  All the way up to master breeder which usually come with a certificate or title or whatever.

Thats the basic idea of a program I have no idea the specifics of the Mca program,  should be a link some where with the rules and who is the leader and what they have bred.  Not sure where it is I'm sure it is some where around here.
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: djlamonica on August 07, 2013, 09:32:54 PM
Here's the leader board just found it in the news letter.

http://michigan.cichlid.freeservers.com/index_files/Page437.htm

And here is the list of the rules maybe we could make a sticky link some where.


http://michigan.cichlid.freeservers.com/index_files/Page437.htm

I believe I have answered all my questions search is a useful tool...... LoL

Also I've had the wrong email in my profile I've now taken care of that getting the news letter may also be helpful. 

Man I'm on a roll.
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: Marty on August 08, 2013, 04:41:34 PM
Here's the leader board just found it in the news letter.

http://michigan.cichlid.freeservers.com/index_files/Page437.htm

And here is the list of the rules maybe we could make a sticky link some where.


http://michigan.cichlid.freeservers.com/index_files/Page437.htm

I believe I have answered all my questions search is a useful tool...... LoL

Also I've had the wrong email in my profile I've now taken care of that getting the news letter may also be helpful. 

Man I'm on a roll.

Thanks for posting these, I didn't realize the old links worked.  Saves me a lot of work  ;D
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: Super Turtleman on August 09, 2013, 01:03:01 PM
Before I was breeding and documented a lot of it via posts and pics over on Cichlid Forum. Would that count?
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: Marty on August 09, 2013, 02:04:27 PM
If it was within the last year and meets the other requirements, yes.
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: RichE on August 09, 2013, 03:43:22 PM
Do the marble convicts count? I have a breading pair and there are fry. I just want to in the "books" as this is my first time having my own fry ;D
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: Marty on August 09, 2013, 03:59:13 PM
Do the marble convicts count? I have a breading pair and there are fry. I just want to in the "books" as this is my first time having my own fry ;D

Archocentrus nigrofasciatus 5 point fish.
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: RichE on August 09, 2013, 04:38:34 PM
Do the marble convicts count? I have a breading pair and there are fry. I just want to in the "books" as this is my first time having my own fry ;D

Archocentrus nigrofasciatus 5 point fish.

I looked and didn't find the list I am looking for.

So Is there a list of what each fish is worth Point wise?
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: djlamonica on August 09, 2013, 04:57:51 PM
The fish list link I found did not open.
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: Marty on August 09, 2013, 05:47:40 PM
I have a PDF file.  Does anyone have software to convert to Word and I can email it to you, and you can send it back to me in Word?
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: linuxrulesusa on August 09, 2013, 07:00:36 PM
I have a PDF file.  Does anyone have software to convert to Word and I can email it to you, and you can send it back to me in Word?

Send it to me and I can convert it Monday if that's soon enough.
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: jcunningham0295 on August 09, 2013, 08:59:45 PM
I have a PDF file.  Does anyone have software to convert to Word and I can email it to you, and you can send it back to me in Word?

I have software and can covert it.
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: African cichlid Keeper on August 09, 2013, 09:23:01 PM
do my yellow labs count.  :D
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: djlamonica on August 09, 2013, 09:38:54 PM
I think there is a little more to it then just saying a bred this fiah .  you have to keep records and raise them to a certain point.  Pictures logs and stuff.  Although the rules in a link are kind of vague.
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: African cichlid Keeper on August 09, 2013, 10:22:30 PM
I think there is a little more to it then just saying a bred this fiah .  you have to keep records and raise them to a certain point.  Pictures logs and stuff.  Although the rules in a link are kind of vague.

oh ok good to know.
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: Marty on August 09, 2013, 10:32:27 PM
Jenna - if you follow the link the djlamonica posted and click the "rules" button on the left side of the page, it will tell you what you need to do to submit spawns.

Although the rules in a link are kind of vague.

If you aren't sure of anything or have any questions, go ahead and ask.  It's entirely possible that other people may have the same question(s) you do.
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: djlamonica on August 09, 2013, 11:08:48 PM
What is missing (unless I missed something on there) is basically, what is needed to get a spawn counted.  Do you need pictures of parents logs video whatever and who do I send these things to get them confirmed?   Or is the only way to get them confirmed is for a board member to come look at them or to bring them to a meeting?
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: Regalblue on August 09, 2013, 11:17:44 PM
Just give me all your fry Dan, I'll take care of it. :P
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: Marty on August 09, 2013, 11:50:30 PM
Any other member of the club can sign off as a witness.  Most people should be able to look at your fry to determine you have enough of them and that they're over 30 days old.
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: RichE on August 10, 2013, 12:01:13 AM
Any other member of the club can sign off as a witness.  Most people should be able to look at your fry to determine you have enough of them and that they're over 30 days old.
Since you are the closest member to me,can I have you stop by and verify?
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: djlamonica on August 10, 2013, 12:06:17 AM
So pictures and or video log style wont be accepted?
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: Jaws22 on August 10, 2013, 09:31:14 AM
I remember back in the 80s point values were 5 to 25 points. Is that still in effect?
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: Marty on August 10, 2013, 10:08:51 AM
Yes.  As soon as Josh gets the PDF file converted for me, I'll post the rules and points list.  No pressure Josh  ;D
Title: Re: breeders award program
Post by: RichE on August 10, 2013, 10:22:35 AM
Does the Ultra Rare Guppie goldfish Cichlid count? :P