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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: four_by_ken on April 02, 2013, 04:01:19 PM

Title: Breeding fathers to daughters to brothers, etc (fish)
Post by: four_by_ken on April 02, 2013, 04:01:19 PM
Is this a problem with fish?

I know excessive breeding of "family members" in say dogs will end up getting you mutants.

Is this an issue with fish? 

The Albus that we want to try to breed are not the easiest to find.  Will we be able to keep good looking males and females to add to the colony, or will this cause problems/defects, etc?

Title: Re: Breeding fathers to daughters to brothers, etc (fish)
Post by: linuxrulesusa on April 02, 2013, 04:05:42 PM
I've read (not experienced) that some fish are more prone to defects like brichardi if you keep breeding the same bloodlines with each other.  Probably not a bad idea to introduce fresh blood if possible.
Title: Re: Breeding fathers to daughters to brothers, etc (fish)
Post by: Arturtle on April 02, 2013, 06:21:58 PM
It all depends on what you're trying to do.  If you're trying to breed out some gene/trait in a fish, that's more or less the route you want to go.  If you're trying to keep a good gene pool and trying to keep a "wild" looking fish, then diversity is your friend.

If you do some reading about line breeding, one of the steps to to breed off spring back to the parents to try to "lock" in a trait.
Title: Re: Breeding fathers to daughters to brothers, etc (fish)
Post by: NorthernAquatic on April 02, 2013, 09:09:11 PM
You eventually will end up with deformations.

Look up line breeding, for tons of info.
Title: Re: Breeding fathers to daughters to brothers, etc (fish)
Post by: Regalblue on April 03, 2013, 01:23:02 AM
FWIW- I've noticed that you get deformation quicker in Centrals when siblings spawn compared to Malawi.

Title: Re: Breeding fathers to daughters to brothers, etc (fish)
Post by: four_by_ken on April 03, 2013, 06:03:01 AM
Thanks for the tips.

We are doing this more as a hobby.  The males are not even full size not full color yet. 

So, I think we will just see how things go and try to get the best looking fish we can out of them.

Title: Re: Breeding fathers to daughters to brothers, etc (fish)
Post by: JeffroM on April 03, 2013, 07:21:25 PM
This thread makes it too easy to make a joke at Marty's or Blair's expense...   :P
Title: Re: Breeding fathers to daughters to brothers, etc (fish)
Post by: Regalblue on April 03, 2013, 07:50:45 PM
This thread makes it too easy to make a joke at Marty's or Blair's expense...   :P
you have a brother there too buddy.  :P
Title: Re: Breeding fathers to daughters to brothers, etc (fish)
Post by: four_by_ken on April 04, 2013, 06:48:54 AM
And I even put FISH in the title just for this reason.

 ;D
Title: Re: Breeding fathers to daughters to brothers, etc (fish)
Post by: Regalblue on April 04, 2013, 07:37:49 AM
Eh, a few of us around here have selective reading
Title: Re: Breeding fathers to daughters to brothers, etc (fish)
Post by: Jaws22 on April 04, 2013, 01:20:16 PM
I have a ? on the subject. If you have 2 non related FISH how many generations can you go?
Title: Re: Breeding fathers to daughters to brothers, etc (fish)
Post by: Regalblue on April 04, 2013, 01:50:53 PM
I have a ? on the subject. If you have 2 non related FISH how many generations can you go?
You never know if They're related.
http://cichlid-forum.com/articles/l_caeruleus.php
 
Check out paragraph #6 ;)
Title: Re: Breeding fathers to daughters to brothers, etc (fish)
Post by: mightieskeeper on April 05, 2013, 12:24:37 AM
Blair thanks for destroying my dreams.  I have 3 different souces of labs and they are all cousins.  JK:)
Title: Re: Breeding fathers to daughters to brothers, etc (fish)
Post by: NorthernAquatic on April 05, 2013, 12:35:35 AM
Ain't that a bummer. I tried for years to obtain WC yellow labs from the lake. Nobody was willing to deal.
Title: Re: Breeding fathers to daughters to brothers, etc (fish)
Post by: Regalblue on April 05, 2013, 01:32:38 AM
Ain't that a bummer. I tried for years to obtain WC yellow labs from the lake. Nobody was willing to deal.
With the quality of the Yellow Labs I saw at our last auction,  IMO you don't even need WC. Although I'm sure getting your hands on some now wouldn't be too hard.
Title: Re: Breeding fathers to daughters to brothers, etc (fish)
Post by: four_by_ken on April 05, 2013, 06:42:30 AM
Ain't that a bummer. I tried for years to obtain WC yellow labs from the lake. Nobody was willing to deal.
With the quality of the Yellow Labs I saw at our last auction,  IMO you don't even need WC. Although I'm sure getting your hands on some now wouldn't be too hard.

I'll be keeping an eye out at the next auction.  Depending on how many are in the bag... I may be selling some if there are too many.